Petzl Caritool - Large or Small
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I'm curious if anyone has opinions on the two sizes of Caritool Petzl makes? |
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I have both and honestly I hardly use the larger one. It does serve nicely for racking more screws and as a tool/axe holder, and its actually not as ridiculously large as I had first perceived from pictures online. Have you seen this yet? Looking forward to trying it out: petzl.com/US/en/Sport/New/C… |
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Yes, the small one is closer in size to the BD one. Mind you the Petzl one has a thicker spine so it doesn't fit well in BD harness' (at least that's the case in the Couloir harness I own). |
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Thanks for the quick replies, guys. |
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Me likey the new Caritool Evo! |
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Observation #1 Was leading an ice route with about 6 screws loaded into Caritool Evo and went to unclip a screw....due to my body position, the number of screws on the Caritoo Evo and who knows what else, the gate of the Caritool Evo came unclipped on one side and was dangling open...gently worked it back into place without spilling contents...Observation #2 Was following an ice route and cleaning the pro...gently tapped the top of the ice screw on top of the new Caritool Evo to see if it would clear out the ice core and the wire gate came unclipped from one side of the nylon frame...reached down and easily pulled the other side out...put the wire gate in pocket and continued racking screws on the other side of harness on the other Caritool Evo minus the tapping to clear the core...went home and reinstalled the wire gate and added a few wraps of electrical tape to help keep the wire gate under a bit more tension and hopefully stay put...so far, so good...racked and un-racked screws last session with no problems |
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Harry Richardson wrote: I have a brand new Caritool Evo, and after reading your comment took a look at how the wire gate is attached.. and it isn't. Gently pulling sideways on the base of the gate pops out the wire remarkably easily, there's nothing but spring tension holding it in. I would much prefer the wires went all the way through the plastic and had the ends flared, like on wiregate carabiners, but perhaps having the holes all the way through would weaken the plastic too much. I don't know if this would ever be an issue in normal use, but I will be sure to avoid tapping the Caritool or messing with that gate in any way. If it ever comes loose in the field I will tape it as well, but for now I'll see how it holds up on it's own. Thanks for letting us know! |
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Harry Richardson wrote: Not just the evo, had the wire gate on my regular evo come out from under the nylon and hang open for until i realized it was open and quickly popped it back. Nothing lost but not thrilled by the mishap. |
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My buddy has two petzl clippers. One is missing the gate and the other has a gate that pops off frequently. |
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To All- |
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No experience with the new larger one. Everyone I know who's used the smaller plastic type like Black Diamond's, has lost $omething off of them.. These "ice clippers" are all just plastic carabiners right? A plastic non-rated carabiner that is flimsy, costs more (15$ Evo vs half that $ for a metal biner), and as Richard mentions, can be VERY costly if you loose your tools or dump a rack of screws off them when they fail.. So maybe one of you can enlighten me on the appeal or why this concept of a seemingly inferior version of something that we all already have dozens of on our rack, even exists as a product? What am I missing? It can't be weight - biners are light (the Omega Pac Five-O wiregates I use are 49g. The Caritool Evo is 50g). Personally I use a regular aluminum wiregate biner with the largest basket and biggest gate opening I can find and thread it through the clipper slots on my harness the same way as these plastic clippers. I've got one on each side. It's durable and reliable because it doesn't stretch/flex/bend/break, and if you're in a pinch you've got an extra full strength biner on you at all times. |
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Dan Allard wrote: They are nice because they don't flop around near as much as a biner does when racking/unracking screws, even if the biner is put in your ice clipper slot on your harness. Otherwise, everything about a real aluminum biner is better as you pointed out. I am actually thinking about switching to biners for screw racking as well, just trying to find the best way to keep them snugly in place in the harness clipper slot. |
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Get the small ones, the large one will not hold Black Diamond screws or PETZL ice tools! Also due to the thicker size it won't fit in some carry tool slots (doesn't fit in my Arc'terix harness) Anyone wants to buy 2 large carry-tools? I'm not gonna use them. |
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Petzl Guy Says: Hi Richard, Thanks for your mail. Sorry to hear about the trouble with your Caritool Evo. All Petzl products carry a three year warranty against manufacturing defects. If your product is not repairable and falls under warranty, Petzl will replace it for you. If you would like to send in your product for warranty evaluation, please send us the following information:
Once we receive the above information, we will send you a RA (return authorization) number as well as a shipping address. Please let us know if you have any other questions or for more information, please visit the support page on our website. Best, Bryan Cox Petzl America | After Sales and Service Department 801.926.1541 |
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I Reply: Bryan- Thank you for your prompt response. I am guessing that you don't use the Caritool Evo so you don't grasp the idea that what I am describing is a design flaw...no matter how many warrantied Caritool Evo's you send me, the inherent design flaw of the gate not being pinned into the retaining holes in the frame will allow the gate to keep coming undone...this information needs to be presented to the design/engineering department and specifically to those who helped design the Caritool Evo...will you please supply me with your supervisor or manager's contact info so that I may further explain this challenge? Thanks again for your help. Richard Harrison |
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The Grivel Carryabiner is pretty cool I have been using it some this year and like it. It is a full strength biner made for carrying ice screws and tools. Honestly though my favorite is the OP five-O wire gate. It works really well as a screw and tool carrier. It has a nice big basket and is a wire gate. I’ve tried a few different biners for this purpose and come back to the five-O. If you get regular biners and practice (or just use them) they work great for the intended purpose. Dallen |
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Dan Allard wrote: In addition to Jesse's point about the plastice ice clippers not moving around, I think the size and shape of the large Caritool is more ideal than most carabiners, I don't think I've seen any wiregate or even non-locking solid gate that is nearly as large or with such a big gate opening as the large Caritool (unlike the small caritool or BD Ice clipper, which is not much bigger than some wiregates). The most unique feature seems to be the flat, ridged top portion of the ice clipper, which allow you to flip one or more ice screws onto this 'shelf', to get them out of the way and access a different sized screw behind them. With a carabiner you'd have to remove and hold the ice screws, possibly with one hand, or clip them somewhere else, and all that involves more effort and greater risk of dropping something or getting pumped out. Of course if you have multiple biners/clips and only keep one size per clip, this wouldn't be an issue. I'll admit I'm a beginner ice climber and have only followed or top-roped so far, but I have played around with this 'shelf' feature and it seems to work as intended, and is something I think I would find very useful when leading. |
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These seem pretty nice, but at $45 for the wiregate version, certainly not a cheap solution. I don't love the screw attachment mechanism, I'd prefer a method that can doesn't require tools to add or remove this from the harness, and I also don't like depending on a small screw that could easily be dropped and lost. But money aside this seems like the nicest option out there. And considering that the large Petzl caritool runs about $19 (oddly, more than the Evo), it starts to seem more reasonable by comparison: http://dmmclimbing.com/products/vault/ Also apparently these are not compatible with BD Ice screws without modification- the entryway to the shelf is too large and needs to be filed down (https://climbinggearreviewsuk.wordpress.com/2017/03/22/dmm-vault-review/). Even if I was willing to drop $45 a piece for these, I don't exactly like the idea of taking a file to brand new expensive gear.. Hopefully they'll change there design soon to make a smaller shelf entry, it seems crazy to me to sell such an expensive ice clipper and have it not be compatible with one of the most popular brands of ice screw. |
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Luc-514 wrote: Can you elaborate on how it doesn't fit the ice screws and tools? I used the Caritool Evo to carry a bunch of BD Ice screws without issue recently, but it's a shaped differently, and also those may have been an older design of BD screws. I wanted to get the large Caritools instead but couldn't find them in time, and was planning to buy one or two eventually. |
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Luc-514 wrote: |
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The thickness is such that the BD screws don't fit nor the Petzl ice tools. |