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Ridiculously Overpriced Climbing Clothes...............


Alexander K · · The road · Joined Oct 2014 · Points: 130
NorCalNomad wrote: Well minus the delam issue those things can actually be repaired. And if you treat your 3L jacket well (ie clean it) then they shouldn't delam before the face fabric wears out. Also a Beta SV isn't a "light weight" product having a 80D face fabric. Now if you're talking say a TNF Summit Series piece that is only 40D, then that's something else. The cuffs of my Summit pants can attest to that with ski edge and crampon cuts.
If you can tell me how to repair loss of loft in synthetic insulation I'd love to hear it. I'd imagine these people would too: mountainproject.com/v/synth…

Jackets like the Beta SV aren't "high performance." They may be durable and stylish (apparently Arcteryx has a color division, it shows) but if you see people pushing the limits, they will always be using some of the lightest stuff possible. The Patagonia M10 can do just about everything the SV can for half the price and weight. I think as others have said cheap, heavy and durable or light, expensive and flimsy are where most things fall in terms of need for climbers. Ski gear may be a different arena but when I think of Arcteryx I think of House of Cards jogging scenes, not alpinists crushing it in the mountains. That said if I made a ton more money, I'd buy a Tesla, and wear my Beta SV around town :D
Chris C. · · Seattle, WA · Joined Mar 2016 · Points: 311
Jim Turner wrote:declining dollar.
You should google USD vs CAD and USD vs RMB conversions before claiming that the USD is in decline.
Jason L. · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 40

I love arc'teryx. For my dollar, it's been a great value. I make good money and don't spend it on many other expensive hobbies, so gear is quality, even if expensive. Expensive is all relative anyway. It fits well, I get compliments on looks and I trust in its ability to hold up for what I want it to do.

Bill Kirby · · Baltimore Maryland · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 480
Alexander K wrote: If you can tell me how to repair loss of loft in synthetic insulation I'd love to hear it. :D
There's nothing to fix. My Arcteryx Dually belay jacket is as warm as the day I bought it 9 years ago.
Morgan Patterson · · CT · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 8,767
Ball wrote: Yeah, nah. Maybe for a hard shell jacket, but shorts?
ya no, agreed there... I wouldnt buy their clothing unless it was heavily discounted. Most of it is euro cut (hate that shit) and i like my carhartts too much.
Seth Jones · · New Lenox, IL · Joined Feb 2015 · Points: 25

For a shell, I'll buy whatever brand has gore pro and a good fit for a decent price. I only paid $250 for my Burton AK Freeride (gore pro stretch) brand new. Too baggy for climbing but absolutely amazing for boarding/touring.

A. Michael · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2016 · Points: 40
Bill Kirby wrote: I'm still riding a 26er.
Me too. On One Inbred Single Speed. I am selling it though. I'm not that hard anymore. I am actually going to upgrade to something more befitting my old-man status once I start riding again. I'm thinking fat bike.
Nick Sweeney · · Spokane, WA · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 653

I used to be vehemently opposed to Arcteryx because I thought they were simply an expensive brand. Then I got an Atom LT, which is one of my all time favorite pieces of gear, and I realized that the dead bird's fit and attention to detail is miles ahead of other brands. Now my layering system includes a Fortrez Hoody, which I love, and a Beta LT Hardshell. It's all really good stuff.

I wanted to love Patagonia. I really did! They sponsor Steve House AND Colin Haley - it must be the best, right? Unfortunately, Patagonia must use Lego people for their fit model, because I have never worn a Patagonia jacket that wasn't enormous in the torso, which is a shame. I don't want to fork over $300 for a DAS Parka that fits me like a garbage bag - so I went with the Black Diamond equivalent.

Jim Turner · · Lakewood, CO · Joined Jun 2012 · Points: 290
chrisccc wrote: You should google USD vs CAD and USD vs RMB conversions before claiming that the USD is in decline.
You need to extend your charts farther back. Google will take you to a bunch of websites that will show you charts going back only 10 years. These charts look great for the USD. Further Google search will find better charts that go back to the 50's. Look at the period post 2001.
Morgan Patterson · · CT · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 8,767

5yr USD vs CAD

5 Yr USD vs CAD

30yr USD vs CAD
Max
Morgan Patterson · · CT · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 8,767
Nick Sweeney wrote: Unfortunately, Patagonia must use Lego people for their fit model
LMFAO - I've wondered the same too.
Seth Jones · · New Lenox, IL · Joined Feb 2015 · Points: 25
Nick Sweeney wrote: Unfortunately, Patagonia must use Lego people for their fit model, because I have never worn a Patagonia jacket that wasn't enormous in the torso, which is a shame.
I noticed this too. Reminds me of how Mexican t-shirts fit.
Jake wander · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2014 · Points: 180
Morgan Patterson wrote:5yr USD vs CAD Max USD vs CAD
this is so mountain project.

a gear question turns into two people arguing about strength of the US $
bob branscomb · · Lander, WY · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 815

It is absolutely nuts how expensive anything with 'climbing' on it is.

Climbing is mainstream now and the stream runs right through the little trust funders with the County22 plates on their Mercedes vans (with the cherry wood paneling on their cabinets).

They think nothing of 800$ but the upside is the rest of us can pick up what they leave off at the Methodist Thrift Shop when they get oh-so-bored with it.

Chris Owen · · Big Bear Lake · Joined Jan 2002 · Points: 10,146

You can get one of these too:

German Army truck
Bill Kirby · · Baltimore Maryland · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 480
Nick Sweeney wrote:I used to be vehemently opposed to Arcteryx because I thought they were simply an expensive brand. Then I got an Atom LT, which is one of my all time favorite pieces of gear, and I realized that the dead bird's fit and attention to detail is miles ahead of other brands. Now my layering system includes a Fortrez Hoody, which I love, and a Beta LT Hardshell. It's all really good stuff. I wanted to love Patagonia. I really did! They sponsor Steve House AND Colin Haley - it must be the best, right? Unfortunately, Patagonia must use Lego people for their fit model, because I have never worn a Patagonia jacket that wasn't enormous in the torso, which is a shame. I don't want to fork over $300 for a DAS Parka that fits me like a garbage bag - so I went with the Black Diamond equivalent.
I'm surprised you like the Fortrez hoody but feel like Patagonia is cut big. My XXL Fortrez and the old Patty R1 pullover are one of the only jackets that's large enough to fit my chest and shoulders well plus is long enough. XXL Patagonia gear these days seems like it's cut for short fat people that never lift in the gym. Marmot jackets, now there's gear cut like a garbage bag. I go for my Marmot ROM jacket after eating like a fat slob in the Autumn.

Now a days all the gear I try on seems like it's cut much slimmer.
Dana Walters 1 · · Spokane, Washington · Joined Jan 2014 · Points: 45

I must be lucky because I have found that the small in most of the elite outdoor brands fits my frame well across the spectrum

Morgan Patterson · · CT · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 8,767

50% Lego People Clothing... patagonia.com/shop/web-spec…

Matt Westlake · · Durham, NC · Joined Jul 2009 · Points: 588

Ok, I can't resist. I love a few select Arcteryx pieces, but this one just cracks me up:

veilance.arcteryx.com/Produ…;gender=mens&category=pants_and_shorts&model=cargo-lt-short

Really though I agree with everybody else - if you want to own clothes that have all of the nice fit features, look for the stuff you want on clearance and don't get hung up on color (ok, maybe not these pants/shorts - these are just silly).

That said, I like the fortez fleece and find it a good companion to the R1 Hoody (or at least the older model R1). Looks like this year's is thinner and without the elasticy part that fits under your harness.

Morgan Patterson · · CT · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 8,767

Wow... $300 for the ugliest pair of shorts... really?

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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