Ridiculously Overpriced Climbing Clothes...............


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De-Loft · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2011 · Points: 0

while browsing my local climbing shop looking for a jacket for my boyfriend I had to ask myself who the hell actually buys climbing brand clothes? The prices are beyond laughable. a rain coat for $800? a fleece for $250?


Glenn Schuler · · Monument, Co. · Joined Jun 2006 · Points: 1,320

Dead Bird shit is expensive....... I'll alert the media.

Ray Pinpillage · · West Egg · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 180

This hardly ever comes up, I'm glad we're going to get a chance to discuss it.

Chris C. · · Seattle, WA · Joined Mar 2016 · Points: 246

I guess don't buy it.

Clint White aka Faulted Geologist · · Lawrence, KS · Joined Jan 2015 · Points: 158

I own precisely one dead bird logo - on my 70L pack. Simple, durable, and way more expensive than Osprey. The hip belt was the only point of contention. Arcteryx had a more comfy pack for my beanpole ass.

The clothing is insanely expensive. Maybe if it were still made in Canada, but outsourcing to China loses me on many fronts - mainly sustainability.

Check out Westcomb. Made in Canada last I checked. Owner started Arcteryx, sold off to investors, started a new company with a less cool name and logo from what I heard years ago.

NorCalNomad · · San Francisco · Joined Oct 2011 · Points: 105

You should see what goretex charges for their base materials... Plus arcteryx uses a lot of non standard colors and some tight tolerances on the manufacturing that not all factories can do. Also they have a smaller distribution, and they might have some other duties to deal with being headquartered in Canda (but I have no idea about Canada's duty laws). Also the Beta SV isn't a "rain coat"...thats like calling a Ferrari FF a "sedan." Yeah it's got four seats, but sedan it is not.

You should take a look at Mammut's top end stuff if you want some proper sticker shock :P

But alas in a culture more and more use to commodity goods(i.e. Cheap crap), no one remembers what it's like to invest in a good piece of gear and repair it. *gets off soap box*

Brian Abram · · Celo, NC · Joined Oct 2007 · Points: 483

I wish Bearbreeder was here to post about finding these same jackets for 12 maple syrup dollahs at whatever outlet he's always apparently shopping at.

For what it's worth, the Beta SV's MSRP is $649. Is that $800 in Canada?

Patagonia's prices are getting to be almost as high:
http://www.patagonia.com/product/mens-grade-vii-down-parka/84845.html

Tradgic Yogurt · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2016 · Points: 55

It's not cheap being really, really ridiculously good looking.

Alexander K · · The road · Joined Oct 2014 · Points: 130
NorCalNomad wrote:You should see what goretex charges for their base materials... Plus arcteryx uses a lot of non standard colors and some tight tolerances on the manufacturing that not all factories can do. Also they have a smaller distribution, and they might have some other duties to deal with being headquartered in Canda (but I have no idea about Canada's duty laws) You should take a look at Mammut's top end stuff if you want some proper sticker shock :P But alas in a culture more and more use to commodity goods(i.e. Cheap crap), no one remembers what it's like to invest in a good piece of gear and repair it. *gets off soap box*
For 99% of the things we buy the idea of a good piece of reparable gear is dead. Rain jackets delaminate, down jackets lose feathers and sythetic jackets lose most of their loft with in a few months of use. Anything that is light enough to truly be at the cutting edge of performance will not be that durable. Why spend 5x as much on something that won't last, when equally high performance options exist that are so much cheaper. I think that Dead Bird has been flogged enough on these forums and others, but the bottom line is that you should not try and convince yourself that buying the most expensive item gives you some edge. There are more sustainable companies, there are cheaper companies and there are companies that put a stronger focus on performance, so at some point you have to take a step back and go for what makes you happy. If that's wearing an $800 dollar jacket to the office then great, and if you'd rather pick something up for $50 that does the same thing then that works too.
Ray Pinpillage · · West Egg · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 180
Brian Abram wrote:I wish Bearbreeder was here to post about finding these same jackets for 12 maple syrup dollahs at whatever outlet he's always apparently shopping at. For what it's worth, the Beta SV's MSRP is $649. Is that $800 in Canada? Patagonia's prices are getting to be almost as high: patagonia.com/product/mens-...
The factory store outside of Vancouver. Most of the clothing there is about 25% off (CAD), there is a non returnable blow out section (two racks) that is like 60% off. I scored a pair of Psiphon AR pants for $75 (US). I wasn't super impressed but I think if you're a local and can stop in regularly you can find some good deals. If you have pro deals it's not even worth going.
Brian Abram · · Celo, NC · Joined Oct 2007 · Points: 483
Ray Pinpillage wrote: The factory store outside of Vancouver. Most of the clothing there is about 25% off (CAD), there is a non returnable blow out section (two racks) that is like 60% off. I scored a pair of Psiphon AR pants for $75 (US). I wasn't super impressed but I think if you're a local and can stop in regularly you can find some good deals. If you have pro deals it's not even worth going.
I really love the Gamma Rock pant. What didn't you like about the Psiphon AR? I almost pulled the trigger on a pair I found cheap a few weeks ago.
Climb Germany · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 2,510

Woahh. Is the OP trying to police my climbing attire with this post?

Ball · · Oakridge, OR · Joined Jan 2010 · Points: 70

Real climbers wear head-to-toe Goodwill

Climb Germany · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 2,510

I think you mean $3200 sweaters

Jsimpson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 0

Arcteryx is the leader in performance outdoor apparel design and the money is well spent in my experience.

One example is my purchase of a Theta AR around 2001. I abused the jacket on hiking and climbing trips and a 2,500 nautical mile sailboat delivery between semesters in college.

In 2011 the jacket seams were delaminating and I had torn the inside of the cuff of one sleeve. I sent the jacket back to Arcteryx to see if they could repair it. They reached out to me, told me they couldn't repair it and asked how I had taken care of the jacket. Well, I hadn't taken care of it. In the 10 years I owned it I didn't wash it once. They explained how sweat and dirt will break down the taped seems in a jacket if not taken care of and that it wasn't covered in the warranty. However, they had several colors of my model in stock and to choose the color I wanted them to send me at no charge.

Now it's 2016 and I'm wearing the newer coat I paid nothing for. 15 years and counting of use for $500 spent in 2001, it is worth the money considering I would have purchased over $500 worth of another brands jacket in the last 15 years.

Muscrat · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2011 · Points: 3,610
Ball wrote:Real climbers wear head-to-toe Goodwill
+1!
Except my shoes, so i guess head to ankle...!
Brett Kitchen · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2016 · Points: 10

Stories like JSimpson's are one reason to buy from the 'top' brands. Other can include what companies do with their sales (donate, support causes, activism)

They also spend so much R&D developing these products that their retail price needs to be high so that the company can remain functional, not even profitable in some cases.

If you read Let My People Go Surfing, Chouinard addresses the high cost of Patagonia's items a good bit.

Bill Kirby · · Baltimore Maryland · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 480

^^^^^^^^^^^^ +1 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

My Arcteryx belay jacket was purchased the second day I went out climbing. The jacket keeps me warm to this day. My BC ski kit is still going strong after 10 years.

I would also argue that no one pays full price for Arcteryx. Whether buying at a shop, online or the factory store.

As for who the hell buys climbing brand clothes... I would rock a pair of Jordan's, jeans and a hoody but than I would look like a criminal. These days you can get shot for that.

Adam Stackhouse · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 13,105
Ray Pinpillage wrote:This hardly ever comes up, I'm glad we're going to get a chance to discuss it.
lmao
A. Michael · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2016 · Points: 40
Ball wrote:Real climbers wear head-to-toe Goodwill
This. For fall cragging, a decent baselayer to keep from sweating/freezing, and clothes that let you move. Something warm to belay in, and something to put on if it rains.

I understand the super expensive stuff for alpine where the weather can kill you, but I can't afford that pursuit.
Seth Jones · · New Lenox, IL · Joined Feb 2015 · Points: 25
NorCalNomad wrote:You should see what goretex charges for their base materials...
Other high end companies use the same materials for around $100-$150 less per jacket.
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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