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Grand Valley Climbing in Grand Junction is raising their rates


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Eric Carlos · · Chattanooga, TN · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 40

FYI they are doing a rate increase. I sure hope they use the extra money to hire some setters.

After someone at the desk told me about the increase yesterday, I said the above statement, and he said "we change the routes often enough". I decided to do a walk through of routes (not boulder problems) and this is what I found.

143 total routes on Aug 30th
49 were set in April
14 were set in March
1 was set in Feb

45% of the routes are from April or before....and it will be September tomorrow.

Is this common among the industry to have this low of turnover?

I have been a member of 3 front range gyms and the standard was about 12 weeks max.

Mike Brady · · Van Diesel, OR · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 681
Eric Carlos wrote: Is this common among the industry to have this low of turnover? I have been a member of 3 front range gyms and the standard was about 12 weeks max.
No, this is not common at all. In fact, that is totally bunk! The Circuit has 45,000 sq ft and they manage to have a 12 week max.
Mark E Dixon · · Sprezzatura, Someday · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 549

That's awful.

What is their competition?

grog m aka Greg McKee · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 70

For reference:

Adult Membership – $70/mo
Initiation fee of $45. No cancellation fee.

Student Membership – $55/mo
Initiation fee of $30. No cancellation fee.
Student ID required with expiration or current semester schedule

Day Pass : $16
Youth Day Pass (ages 12 and under) : $12
Military/Veteran Day Pass (w/ active ID) : $12
10 Punch Pass: $140

Rental Package – Harness, Shoes, Chalk, ATC or GriGri 2 : $10
Harness : $5
Shoes : $5
Chalk : $2
ATC Belay Device : $2
GriGri 2 Belay Device : $2
Lead Rope $5 (free for Members)

To Carlos: I pay about 60 dollars a month for Momentum in Salt Lake. I get access to 3 huge gyms, and it is almost impossible to climb all the routes. But GJ (I grew up there) has a huge propensity to spawn monopolies. So not sure there is much you can do. Burn it down?

Eric Carlos · · Chattanooga, TN · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 40
grog m wrote:For reference: Adult Membership – $70/mo Initiation fee of $45. No cancellation fee. Student Membership – $55/mo Initiation fee of $30. No cancellation fee. Student ID required with expiration or current semester schedule Day Pass : $16 Youth Day Pass (ages 12 and under) : $12 Military/Veteran Day Pass (w/ active ID) : $12 10 Punch Pass: $140 Rental Package – Harness, Shoes, Chalk, ATC or GriGri 2 : $10 Harness : $5 Shoes : $5 Chalk : $2 ATC Belay Device : $2 GriGri 2 Belay Device : $2 Lead Rope $5 (free for Members) To Carlos: I pay about 60 dollars a month for Momentum in Salt Lake. I get access to 3 huge gyms, and it is almost impossible to climb all the routes. But GJ (I grew up there) has a huge propensity to spawn monopolies. So not sure there is much you can do. Burn it down?
I just cancelled my membership and took off to The Red. I have tried to give feedback but they know they have a monopoly.

I was tired of lunge/high step routes anyway. Although Charles sets some good ones....
grog m aka Greg McKee · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 70

Wait, you dont like huge lunge moves??

Isnt the best way to make a route harder by just subtracting foot hold??

Eric Carlos · · Chattanooga, TN · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 40
grog m wrote:Wait, you dont like huge lunge moves?? Isnt the best way to make a route harder by just subtracting foot hold??
I guess that depends on who you ask.
grog m aka Greg McKee · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 70

that was satire just fyi. n00b route setters always subtract feet and add lunges

I miss randal and GJCC

Stephen Berwanger · · Montrose, CO · Joined Jun 2007 · Points: 290

Some one said burn it down?

It's a metal building so it won't burn....;-)

I thought Rob P was going to be the route setter there?

Anyway, quick story about the owner which might shed some light on how it's run.

I knew my company was going to do the waterproofing on the job. Being that I like supporting the community I called him and told him I would do the job for material cost only ($3,000) in exchange for me bringing my daughters there a couple times a year. I live an hour away and have my own wall at home. I personally never go to gyms so I really wouldn't be there much. He said he wasn't interested!! I ended up charging him full price through my GC ($10,000). So he spent $7,000 more instead of letting my 3 daughters climb there 2-3 times a year!! Interesting business move in my opinion....

Aleks Zebastian · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 175
Eric Carlos wrote:FYI they are doing a rate increase. I sure hope they use the extra money to hire some setters.
climbing friend,

how you say, "laughing out loud?"

The money it is for the bank account, not for hiring more employee or paying more when it is not necessary. the peoples they will still pull your old plastic climbing rocks, desperate for distraction from cold winter suffering, and cycle of suffering samsara in their own lives. you go to joes valley, hueco tanks, cold winter flashing and you are achieving in nirvana.

What is happening yes with the gym in Eagle, CO, that was "opening summer 2016" and is not open? now website says opening 2017 ... :( I would very much like pull mightily on their own rocks winter 2016-2017.

eagleclimbing.com/#/
Chad Miller · · Grand Junction, CO · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 150

Piz hadn't set routes at GVC for six months or so.

Tylerpratt · · Litchfield, Connecticut · Joined Feb 2016 · Points: 35
Stephen Berwanger wrote:Some one said burn it down? It's a metal building so it won't burn....;-) I thought Rob P was going to be the route setter there? Anyway, quick story about the owner which might shed some light on how it's run. I knew my company was going to do the waterproofing on the job. Being that I like supporting the community I called him and told him I would do the job for material cost only ($3,000) in exchange for me bringing my daughters there a couple times a year. I live an hour away and have my own wall at home. I personally never go to gyms so I really wouldn't be there much. He said he wasn't interested!! I ended up charging him full price through my GC ($10,000). So he spent $7,000 more instead of letting my 3 daughters climb there 2-3 times a year!! Interesting business move in my opinion....
You can fix money but you can't fix stupid.
Eric Carlos · · Chattanooga, TN · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 40
Chad Miller wrote:Piz hadn't set routes at GVC for six months or so.
Neither have many other people apparently!!!!
Chad Miller · · Grand Junction, CO · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 150

I think you're just unhappy because you're so short. and can't reach the holds.;)

Eric Carlos · · Chattanooga, TN · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 40
Chad Miller wrote:I think you're just unhappy because you're so short. and can't reach the holds.;)
Yeah that too. But my complaint here was not that most of the routes aren't worth doing, it was that they don't reset them nearly often enough.
Chad Miller · · Grand Junction, CO · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 150

Very true. Could it be that it's summer and gym use is low?

Eric Carlos · · Chattanooga, TN · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 40
Chad Miller wrote:Very true. Could it be that it's summer and gym use is low?
If you want to make excuses for them for having a ton of routes up for 5 and 6 months, so be it. But in the spring, the excuse must have been "Its Winter and gym use is low." Maybe gym use would be higher if they ran a better gym. It has potential, but is sorely lacking.
Max Supertramp · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 65

CO indoor enchainment? the. future. is now.

MT head · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2015 · Points: 0
Stephen Berwanger wrote:Some one said burn it down? It's a metal building so it won't burn....;-) I thought Rob P was going to be the route setter there? Anyway, quick story about the owner which might shed some light on how it's run. I knew my company was going to do the waterproofing on the job. Being that I like supporting the community I called him and told him I would do the job for material cost only ($3,000) in exchange for me bringing my daughters there a couple times a year. I live an hour away and have my own wall at home. I personally never go to gyms so I really wouldn't be there much. He said he wasn't interested!! I ended up charging him full price through my GC ($10,000). So he spent $7,000 more instead of letting my 3 daughters climb there 2-3 times a year!! Interesting business move in my opinion....
Kinda like the gear shop, stopping day care on a 4 day notice and don't get anyone started on the yoga fiasco.....
And I heard Rob P stopped setting routes a year ago.
Eric Carlos · · Chattanooga, TN · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 40
MT head wrote: Kinda like the gear shop, stopping day care on a 4 day notice and don't get anyone started on the yoga fiasco..... And I heard Rob P stopped setting routes a year ago.
What yoga fiasco? All I know is over a week ago I went in to do a system and campus board workout because there weren't fresh routes and they had the pads pulled into the yoga room for Acro, or some BS like that.

Buy some more pads if that is what they need.
Chad Miller · · Grand Junction, CO · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 150

I'm not defending the gym, just trying to understand the reason for the slow down in new routes.

You seem to be really disappointed in this gym, you post about it quite a bit.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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