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Poll: Whats your opinion on dogs at the crag?

limpingcrab · · Middle of CA · Joined Nov 2010 · Points: 1,020

Sorry, read up on the amygdala and the limbic system. I should specify, they don't have higher level emotions like love, envy, remorse, empathy, etc... They do feel fear and hunger and stuff.

I love animals more than just about anyone and that's why I studied field/wildlife biology for 6 years. Thinking animals "love" you is called anthropomorphization and it's technically a mental disorder in extreme cases.

"But my dog won't eat while I'm gone, he misses me, blah blah blah."

Just another thing wrong with dog people :)

^^^^Edit: I'm too lazy to have any pets.

vvvv Edit again: lol. I bet your computer lights up when it sees you too.

yesrodcire · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2014 · Points: 5

I am all for dogs at the crag as long as they are well behaved, same goes for climbers though. Also dogs for sure have feelings! I can tell when my dog is happy, sad, bored, annoyed, grumpy... etc

Limpingcrab you were a biologist and just now learning about the limbic system!?1? Wow, some biologist you must have been...

limpingcrab · · Middle of CA · Joined Nov 2010 · Points: 1,020

FYI, dog fecal bacteria is now a measurable contaminant in the air around urban areas thanks to dog people.

Reason #2398478298 that dogs suck

Yeitti · · Colorado or sometimes LA · Joined Dec 2015 · Points: 30

As long as the dogs eat the poop and toilet paper around the crags, I'm all for them. If your dog annoys me, I will throw you across the canyon or river!

Healyje · · PDX · Joined Jan 2006 · Points: 416

My opinion is that dogs at crags totally sucks balls and is a stupid and inconsiderate move. I also don't recall my opinion ever stopping anyone from bringing their dog to a crag.

Dave Bn · · Boise, ID · Joined Jul 2011 · Points: 10
limpingcrab wrote:YARBLE GARGLE YACKITY SMACKITY HORSESHITE
You spend a lot of time diagnosing other peoples mental disorders for someone with obvious compulsion disorder coupled with an irrational fear of dogs.

Also, a lack of social filters.

You should probably see some one about all of that.
FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 276
Robby Ryder wrote:I've seen people heavily debate whether dogs should be allowed at crags. I am curious on the general opinion of climbers so I have created a survey. If you would like please take it. Survey Link about Dogs.
Robby, are you going to publish (here) the results of your survey? How long will it be open?
Matt Wolski · · Salt Lake City · Joined May 2002 · Points: 355

Thanks to my dogs (and the people who complain about dogs at crags), I spend a lot of time in beautiful, remote places, developing new crags where it's rare to run into anyone. I'd rather skip the classics, have type 2 fun adventures, and spend time with friends, both furry and human, than have this discussion.

Way down Beef Basin with the beast.

cragmantoo · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 175
Dave Bn wrote: You spend a lot of time diagnosing other peoples mental disorders for someone with obvious compulsion disorder coupled with an irrational fear of dogs. Also, a lack of social filters. You should probably see some one about all of that.
Beware the toxic dog s**t cloud! LOL

Still think he has a house full of cats and dresses them up in little outfits...
David Jefferson · · Brisbane, AU · Joined Mar 2011 · Points: 20

I've never had to wait in line for a toprope train of timid terriers to terminate so that I could slay my proj...

Noob gymrats with glistening racks of X4s and shark attack chalk bags on the other hand....

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cragmantoo · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 175
David J. Jefferson wrote:I've never had to wait in line for a toprope train of timid terriers to terminate so that I could slay my proj... Noob gymrats with glistening racks of X4s and shark attack chalk bags on the other hand.... img1.etsystatic.com/041/0/7…
That chalk bag is pretty cool.... if you're 8 years old
caesar.salad · · earth · Joined Dec 2012 · Points: 75
Chris Rice · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2013 · Points: 55

Friendly well behaved dogs no real problem - aggressive and constantly barking are. I do think the owner should clean up after them though. My best good/bad dog story follows. Been climbing in one location when a big German Shepard came up to us - super friendly - hung out for a while with us while we ate lunch bumming food. Then he stood up - hiked his leg and peed all over the back of my pack - had to hike around the rest of the day with a stinking dog pee wet back. Pretty funny now but wasn't so much when it happened :)

Ben Henson · · Denver, CO · Joined Apr 2015 · Points: 65

I bring my dog to the crag for sport climbing but not multi pitch or trad. I tie her up near me at the base and no one has ever seemed to have a visible problem with that. My thing is that I cant stand the dog owner that thinks that their dog is perfect and that everyone should know it. My dog doesn't do well with other dogs while shes on a leash so when someone comes tromping up with their dog off leash and I ask them if they can leash their dog they get offended that I would ever ask that then that really pisses me off. Just because your dog is friendly doesn't mean all dogs are friendly. Have some respect for others and leash your dog.

cragmantoo · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 175
limpingcrab wrote: I love animals more than just about anyone and that's why I studied field/wildlife biology for 6 years.
ok
cragmantoo · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 175
limpingcrab wrote:^^^^^ dogs are all annoying unless they've been trained to play dead for hours on end. It's only the owners fault because they decided to own a dog, everything after that is just annoying dog genetics.
"I love animals more than anyone"
cragmantoo · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 175
limpingcrab wrote:"Kids suck. If you need companionship so bad that you're willing to annoy other people and pick up crap with your hands just make a friend or talk to a specialist, don't breed the world's most annoying animal." Ha, touché! But at least my kids will turn into climbing partners while dogs are like annoying babies their whole life, and they can't even go to national parks. I don't take them climbing with other people around either.
"I love animals more tan just about anyone"
Mathias · · Loveland, CO · Joined Jun 2014 · Points: 306

Most dog owners think they are above average at dog training. Therefore their dog is well behaved. Therefore if it acts inappropriately, it's not their fault or their dogs fault.

If you brought the dog, it's every movement and action is on you. Some people would argue that it's not possible to watch a dog and climb or belay at the same time. I'm one of those people.

I could keep my dog by my side with nothing but voice commands, until something got inside her bubble, which was about a 5 foot radius (then it became harder). I could get her to lie down when she was 40 feet away from me too. I considered that pretty good. But she new when I could and when I couldn't enforce the rules with her, and she took advantage of that. She was also a different dog when I was absent. Very protective and aggressive, which I never personally witnessed in her.

I like dogs, depending on the dog. But if you're going to bring them to the crag, make sure you have control of them. They are your responsibility.

limpingcrab · · Middle of CA · Joined Nov 2010 · Points: 1,020

There seem to be some very reasonable dog owners on here.

There also seem to be people who get offended when they learn that their pet doesn't "love" them, it just remembers the fact that you give them food and tricked them into thinking you're the head of their pack.

And I do really like animals, I'm just realistic about them. And I mostly like the real ones instead of the weird things people made with artificial selection.

Yukon Cornelius · · Illinois · Joined Feb 2015 · Points: 25
limpingcrab wrote:There also seem to be people who get offended when they learn that their pet doesn't "love" them, it just remembers the fact that you give them food and tricked them into thinking you're the head of their pack.
Haha so true.
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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