Smallest biner


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Theriault · Feb 11, 2016 · Quebec, Quebec · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 168
looking for a biner to fit the hole in The spike at the bottom of the new Cassin x-dream alpine handle. tried the metolius fs mini and camp nano, no go. Can you guys think about any other that would be smaller ?! ( i know there's an other clipping hole in the handle... That's not want i wanna discuss here )

MTCowan · Feb 11, 2016 · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2015 · Points: 3
The camp Nano or Metolius fs mini would be the smallest full strength biners on the market. Anything smaller wouldn't be fully rated. They make smaller biner rated around 700-800 lbs though. Basically a beefed up Keychain biner. What about tying in with cord?

John Wilder · Feb 11, 2016 · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Feb 2004 · Points: 1,495
Edelrid 19g

The smallest, lightest carabiner currently on the market.

Dylan B. · Feb 11, 2016 · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 613
The Petzl Ange S is not quite as small, but because it's a keylock wiregate the nose has a very small profile.

http://www.outdoorgearlab.com/Carabiner-Reviews/Petzl-Ange-S

highaltitudeflatulentexpulsion · Feb 11, 2016 · Colorado · Joined Oct 2012 · Points: 0
No full strength biner that I have ever heard of will do it.

What are you looking for? A way to attach tethers? Something to rest on? I don't think you need all the strength of a biner.

Like the guy above mentioned, you can buy really strong keychain biners at 700 or so lbs. You can also run a loop of cable through the hole and swage it if you have access to a nicopress tool. Webbing or cord may work too.

I think maybe you can widen that hole with a drill or round file until it works.

Theriault · Feb 11, 2016 · Quebec, Quebec · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 168
I do a lot of harder free solo and i would like to be able to quickly clip in ( with a personal protection sling) in case of emergency. Cord or sling would bot work because i use that spike quite a bit and it would just get mangled . So bottom line is i need something to hold mody weight and not a fall ... Also tried the small petzl Ange. Most of the time its the nose that are to phat.

reboot · Feb 11, 2016 · . · Joined Jul 2006 · Points: 50
Theriault wrote:I do a lot of harder free solo
I know y'all dry toolers like to use that phrase, but that ain't free soloing in my book, not when you got tools (especially w/ the option you are describing) ;) But if that's all you need, why not just use fifi hooks?

Sergey · Feb 11, 2016 · Evanston, IL · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 0
Maillon?

Sdm1568 · Feb 11, 2016 · Ca · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 0
^^^ Exactly what I was thinking, a quick link.

Theriault · Feb 11, 2016 · Quebec, Quebec · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 168
Quick link will not go in that fast, and i dont wanna leave it there since i use the spike in piolet mode .

At reboot ... What are you talking about ?! You are not at all on the subject

Edit at reboot ( i get it now, good call )

Joshua Hunt · Feb 11, 2016 · clinton, ut · Joined Dec 2013 · Points: 0
DMM XSRE is rated for 4kn but is explicitly an accessory biner

reboot · Feb 11, 2016 · . · Joined Jul 2006 · Points: 50
Theriault wrote:At reboot ... What are you talking about ?! You are not at all on the subject
First of all, there isn't a rule on MP that says my reply has to be on subject...

Second of all, how is my recommendation of fifi hooks not on subject??? A fifi hook is precisely for quick clip in to hang body weight off of.

Read the MIXED AND ICE CLIMBING section of this link (which has a more versatile recommendation) before you kill yourself...

Sdm1568 · Feb 11, 2016 · Ca · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 0
Is there any room to file/elongate the hole so you can fit a nano?

DavisMeschke Guillotine · Feb 11, 2016 · Pinedale, WY · Joined Oct 2013 · Points: 35
+1 to what reboot said. I've used that same system and it works better/ more efficiently than any biner I can think of.

Theriault · Feb 12, 2016 · Quebec, Quebec · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 168
You guys mean a fifi hook in the hole? I thought you meant to use it on the ice.... I see where you guys are going now, i like it ! How small are the smallest ones out there?

Theriault · Feb 12, 2016 · Quebec, Quebec · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 168
Sdm1568 wrote:Is there any room to file/elongate the hole so you can fit a nano?
No, metal is pretty thin already

Jon H · Feb 12, 2016 · Boulder · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 13
I am thinking about having a loop of webbing put through the handle hole and bar tacked. Full-strength and very low profile, so it won't get in the way of my hand. It will probably get beat up in piolet canne mode, so I think it will need to be replaced every season. Luckily I live 4-5 blocks away from a gear repair shop with a bartacker, so I can walk over and have a new loop sewn in for $3.

Theriault · Feb 12, 2016 · Quebec, Quebec · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 168
Found exactly what i wanted, more to follow haha

Theriault · Feb 23, 2016 · Quebec, Quebec · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 168
Not a fully rated biner but perfect for what I want to use it for, plus its a locker haha
biner

biner2

shoo · Feb 23, 2016 · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2010 · Points: 0
Much better solution below if you have the non-spike version of the x-dreams. 10 minutes with a drill and a steady hand and you can get a full strength cord clip-in point which conveniently doesn't interfere with use of the tools.

Note to anyone who does this: the metal on the inside of the handle is a very soft aluminum. You'll shave it with the side of the drill bit if you aren't careful (I shaved a little when I did it), or you could even drill straight through it. Drill press is probably the best way to go if you have one. I did it with a hand drill, a vise, and some careful guesstimating.







Would be awesome if Cassin had these holes already molded in, but it's pretty easy to DIY. Blah blah disclaimer blah.

Jon H · Feb 23, 2016 · Boulder · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 13
Damn that's slick! I know what I'm doing this weekend.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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