old men grumbing about j tree, bad jokes,and other related matters


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matt c. · Nov 2, 2015 · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 10
Anyone know what happened at j tree sunday evening? We saw th flight for life landed right nexr to double cross.

caro toca roca · Nov 2, 2015 · Altadena, CA · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 0
If its the one I saw from the Hidden Valley Day lot:

A guy took about a 12 foot ground fall leading Left Ski. He walked out limping with some friends, might have been a broken ankle.

FrankPS · Nov 2, 2015 · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 15
Hard to believe they would helicopter someone out for an ankle injury (when it is right next to a road), but I suppose it's possible.

Russ Walling · Nov 2, 2015 · www.FishProducts.com · Joined Oct 2004 · Points: 3,075
I heard the second bolt on Double Cross pulled on a guy going for his AMGA Lead Climbing Instructor part B certificate.

Guy Keesee · Nov 2, 2015 · Moorpark, CA · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 105
Caro left us wrote: A guy took about a 12 foot ground fall leading Left Ski. He walked out limping with some friends, might have been a broken ankle.
Was he wearing a helmet?

Fall over 10 feet?

If the answer is NO and YES to these, its NPS protocol to sieze you and take you to the nearest EMERGENCY ROOM, via the MOST EXPENSIVE METHOD. No mater what YOU say..... or wish

Marc801 C · Nov 2, 2015 · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 0
Guy Keesee wrote: Was he wearing a helmet? Fall over 10 feet? If the answer is NO and YES to these, its NPS protocol to sieze you and take you to the nearest EMERGENCY ROOM, via the MOST EXPENSIVE METHOD. No mater what YOU say..... or wish
Maybe because a lot of people have died from those kind of incidents several hours later? They may not even know they hit their head. Recall Natasha Richardson, Liam Neeson's deceased wife. From the Wiki entry:

"On 16 March 2009, Richardson sustained a head injury when she fell while taking a beginner skiing lesson at the Mont Tremblant Resort in Mont-Tremblant, Quebec, Canada about 80 miles (130 km) from Montreal. The injury was followed by a lucid interval, when Richardson seemed to be fine and was able to talk and act normally. The paramedics and an ambulance which initially responded to the accident were told they were not needed and left. Refusing medical attention twice, she returned to her hotel room and about three hours later was taken to a local hospital in Sainte-Agathe-des-Monts after complaining of a headache. She was transferred from there by ambulance to Hôpital du Sacré-Cœur, Montreal, in critical condition and was admitted about seven hours after the fall.[22][23] The following day, she was flown to Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City, where she died on 18 March at the age of 45.[24][25] An autopsy conducted by the New York City Medical Examiners Office on 19 March revealed the cause of death was an "epidural hematoma due to blunt impact to the head", and her death was ruled an accident

Bryson Smith · Nov 2, 2015 · Santa Cruz, California · Joined Oct 2014 · Points: 0
After the helicopter left I drove out of the park and saw a subaru outback that looked like it had been in a bad accident being loaded into a tow truck. So maybe it was a car accident?

Muscrat · Nov 2, 2015 · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2011 · Points: 3,040
colonel mustard in the library

Guy Keesee · Nov 2, 2015 · Moorpark, CA · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 105
A friend of mine was helping his GF hike out after she took a fall and broke her ankle. On the way out, JOSAR showed up, having been called without my friends knowledge. His intention was to drive to the ER close to home...

The JOSAR BOYS started to interrogate the couple and having found out that she was not wearing a helmet and fell greater than 10 feet..... they shoved my friend aside and said: "ITs PROTOCOL WE TAKE OVER..!!!!!!!"

No Problem you say....

Well my friend was knocked to the ground and cuffed when he protested... and they hauled him off like a common criminal.

His GF was put on a life flight to Palm Springs, while on the flight they gave her some sort of drug- that she was allergic to- when the chopper arrived in PS she was not breathing - lucky they got that started again - and she spent like 14 days recovering from what they did to her.

To put cream on top.... they sent him a bill for the ride. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Jimmy Sledd · Nov 2, 2015 · Bozeman, Montana · Joined Mar 2013 · Points: 5
Guy Keesee wrote: Was he wearing a helmet? Fall over 10 feet? If the answer is NO and YES to these, its NPS protocol to sieze you and take you to the nearest EMERGENCY ROOM, via the MOST EXPENSIVE METHOD. No mater what YOU say..... or wish
Guy-

Unless you are unconscious, you ALWAYS have the right to refuse medical care (with limited exceptions if you are deemed a danger to self or others). That said, most people with medical training (including me) would say that someone who fell over 10 feet without a helmet should be heading to the ER fast. Maybe not helicopter fast, but definitely lights-and-sirens fast.

grog m aka Greg McKee · Nov 2, 2015 · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 0
I fell from left ski track back in 2012 and broke my ankle. You need a very specific piece of pro to adequately protect the first 20 feet. I believe its a 2.5 camalot. My number 2 ripped out like it wasn't even there. I had a helmet on, and fell about 17 feet, breaking my ankle. I hobbled to my car with my buddy and he drove me to the hospital.

SRB25 · Nov 2, 2015 · Woodside, ca · Joined Nov 2014 · Points: 0
What James said...There are protocols when EMS uses flight ambulances. And if the patient is alert and oriented they can ALWAYS deny care. Even if they are having a heart attack. Implied consent only applies when a person is incopacitated. 5150 applies when there's a danger to self or others or failure to thrive. Doesn't sound like that applies to this. I can't imagine a flight nurse/medic would shove anyone and literally kidnap a patient. But if that happened that's grounds for dismissals and large lawsuits.

Tyler Lomprey · Nov 2, 2015 · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 5
on New yrs day this yr I fell while scrambling the bong due to it being filled with ice, not a great idea, i know. The park rangers tried calling ambulance but i told them no its not needed and had my friend drive my to the ER. They never threatened to arrest or make me take an ambulance, its 100% the choice of the injured person.

Jon Hartmann · Nov 2, 2015 · Ojai, CA · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 1,085
Hey Russ. I wasn't aware there was a second or first bolt on Double Cross.

Russ Walling · Nov 2, 2015 · www.FishProducts.com · Joined Oct 2004 · Points: 3,075
Jon Hartmann wrote:Hey Russ. I wasn't aware there was a second or first bolt on Double Cross.
It was the spinner. The first and 3rd bolts are good.

brian burke · Nov 2, 2015 · santa monica, ca · Joined Nov 2013 · Points: 110
happy for the change in subject to better reflect the subject matter of this thread....

caro toca roca · Nov 2, 2015 · Altadena, CA · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 0
Guy Keesee wrote: Was he wearing a helmet? Fall over 10 feet? If the answer is NO and YES to these, its NPS protocol to sieze you and take you to the nearest EMERGENCY ROOM, via the MOST EXPENSIVE METHOD. No mater what YOU say..... or wish
not wearing a helmet and about 10-12 feet.

Jon Hartmann · Nov 2, 2015 · Ojai, CA · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 1,085
Man. I climbed Double Cross last year and I have to say I'm happy for the new bolts. Those cams are so heavy and hard to place. Besides, if you put the cams in the crack then they're in the way of your feet while you're climbing and it's way way safer. I'm glad the old climbing dinosaurs are finally getting with the times. I can't wait to see more cracks being bolted in JTree. I look forward to the day when I get to come into the park with nothing but a set of draws and a grigri.

Creed A · Nov 2, 2015 · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 680
^^^ draws are too heavy. Permadraws are the jam.

Jon Hartmann · Nov 2, 2015 · Ojai, CA · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 1,085
One step at a time dude. We'll get there. God willing.

csproul · Nov 2, 2015 · Davis, CA · Joined Dec 2009 · Points: 25
Jon Hartmann wrote:One step at a time dude. We'll get there. God willing.
SHTZZ PANTZ IN RAGE!!!11!11!

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