Is my sole delaminating or does my footwork suck?

(...or both?)

So I've been climbing in my Redlines for about three months now, and even after just a month I noticed the tip of the toe on my right foot separating from the rand. It's been getting progressively worse and as it has widened out, I can see that it looks like the sole never bonded to the rand in that area originally. Is this something I should take up with Madrock? Or am I just out of luck?

delamination ... the wear around the rest of the area is fairly normal

cant speak about mad rocks ... but its fairly common with sportivas

;)

Looks like delam to me. Toe draggers usually put a hole higher up on the toe. That is pretty much where I'd expect to see the bulk of the wear from standing on your toes. After three months, however, I suspect you're just out of luck. You might be able to climb on them a little longer, but make sure you don't wear into the rand if you don't want to pay for rand repair.

Thanks guys, I was afraid of that.

It's too bad, the redlines are a really great shoe! (aside from this issue i should add :P)

Since the OP got his answer, I'll but in and claim that I did leave my LaSportivas in my hot car so... not that my heel is entirely delaminated, what glue should I use to reattach the sole? Maybe Steve can re-glue as well?

Joshua

Barge cement. Thin coat, let dry, heat up, then press HARD together.

That's what I've been hearing, Barge cement with a bit of thinner, then park your car on top of your shoes overnight. Would it make it any harder to resole? Or does it even matter because they just strip it all down with a belt sander anyway?

Couple things.

First off, your shoes can be delaminating and your footwork can suck all at once. So there is that.

I don't think the repair will last long, and months are not terribly useful for wear, mileage is.

You need to get the rubber super clean, like denatured alcohol clean. Then you need to spread a super thin layer on both rubber surfaces. Then you need to let it dry. Then you need to heat it up. Finally you clamp them. You need to use something with more precision than a car. Vice grips, wood clamps, etc.

The reason it rarely is a lasting solution is contained in the process. Think about how difficult it will be to remove grime. Now think about keeping each piece from touching while drying. Also consider the heat you need to use and the effect it will have on the parts that aren't delaminating.

You can get them further down the road for sure. Don't be surprised if they delam again. Keep an eye on the wear though, resoles are cheaper and more effective if you send them in before the rand is worn through.

Well if it's your heel, your probably not going to do a full resole, they cut through the sole around the arch area and leave the back half alone

The first generation of RedLines had an issue with toe delamination, but for the second production run they re-tooled the press so the soles would be bonded better to the shoe. Contact Mad Rock and you should be able to get a replacement pair.

madrockclimbing.com/support…

Jon Rhoderick wrote:Well if it's your heel, your probably not going to do a full resole, they cut through the sole around the arch area and leave the back half alone

that was for Joshua

Alex McIntyre wrote:The first generation of RedLines had an issue with toe delamination, but for the second production run they re-tooled the press so the soles would be bonded better to the shoe. Contact Mad Rock and you should be able to get a replacement pair. madrockclimbing.com/support…

Cool guys, thanks.

Joshua

I'm having this issue with my shoes. I just smear a layer of shoe goo over the area. It doesn't correct the issue but protects the area from further wear. It's not as sticky, but doesn't matter much on my gym shoes. You can get better traction by mixing a little fine sand in with the goo.

climbing friend,

If you must ask this question, surely your feet they do not quietly lasering from one tiny hold to next with utmost precision, myah?

Thank you for the recommendation Alex!
I contacted Madrock two days ago, they replied yesterday asking a few questions, I responded this morning, and I just got this email

Jim Turner wrote:I'm having this issue with my shoes. I just smear a layer of shoe goo over the area. It doesn't correct the issue but protects the area from further wear. It's not as sticky, but doesn't matter much on my gym shoes. You can get better traction by mixing a little fine sand in with the goo.

Your foot work sucks!

Just kidding!

A delaminating sole isn't helped by toe draggers so probably a bit of both, Just get them resoled it's probably not worth trying to get them under warranty.

that guy named seb wrote:A delaminating sole isn't helped by toe draggers so probably a bit of both, Just get them resoled it's probably not worth trying to get them under warranty.