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Minor new feature: T, S, TR on route lists


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Nick Wilder · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2005 · Points: 3,879

I was searching for some routes to do tomorrow and looking at route lists on the area pages, wishing I could quickly scan for Trad versus Sport versus TR. Then I remembered I write the code for this turkey!

So at the risk of over-crowding this part of the page, I added little "T,S,TR" symbols as appropriate and seen in this image. It's live, so check it out on your favorite area. What do you think? Too crowded, or useful?

New T,S,TR feature

Tristan Higbee · · Ogden, UT · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 2,970

I like it. I always just used this dropdown menu...

Choose a type of climbing from the dropdown menu

...to sort the types of routes, but this new feature makes it easier. Thanks. I don't think it's too crowded.

Paul Zander · · Bern, CH · Joined Oct 2012 · Points: 734

useful

M Sprague · · New England · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 5,014

Useful. Now we just have to get people to stop checking both trad and sport for the same route. I have been going back to clean up where I had done that for a short while in the past.

bobmirko · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2010 · Points: 100

Useful!

Bob M · · Alpharetta, GA · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 50

Good feature.

Thomas Carson · · Jackson, WY · Joined Oct 2013 · Points: 91

Helpful. I wouldn't mind seeing the number of pitches too, maybe after the rating. so like..

"Name of Route" T 5.whatever 2P

err somethin' like that.

Justin Brunson · · Broomfield CO · Joined Jun 2010 · Points: 2,201

Excellent feature, thank you!

Tim McCabe · · Tucson, AZ · Joined Oct 2006 · Points: 130
M Sprague wrote:Useful. Now we just have to get people to stop checking both trad and sport for the same route. I have been going back to clean up where I had done that for a short while in the past.
First you have to come up with a consensus of what "Trad" and "Sport" mean. As you can see from this mountainproject.com/v/trad-… we don't all mean the same thing when we say "Trad".

After 20 plus years of climbing what I think of as "Trad" is not at all what others think of as "Trad".

When I see both on a route listing I have no trouble figuring out what to expect. Others might see it as confusing.

I've always thought "Trad" meant ground up, gear or bolts placed on the lead. I don't have a problem calling an all bolts climb "Trad". Bolted "Trad" climbs often have long run outs.

Back in the day "Sport" meant top down and originally you might have still needed gear and might still have had run outs. Modern "Sport" seems to mean only climbs with closely spaced bolts. At least that's how many seem to see it.

Great new feature but I think there could be some sort of definition set up to help people understand what the terms are meant to convey.
Paul Zander · · Bern, CH · Joined Oct 2012 · Points: 734

I think B,G, or BG (Bolts, Gear or Bolts and Gear) would be more useful. But obviously it's a bit too late to change the thousands of routes in the database. These terms are just a lot more clear than sport or trad.

bobmirko · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2010 · Points: 100

Sport, Trad and MIXED can be good too IMO

Nick Wilder · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2005 · Points: 3,879
bobmirko wrote:Sport, Trad and MIXED can be good too IMO
I don't climb mixed stuff much, but I assumed Mixed would be obvious from the ratings (which is definitely the case with Boulders, Ice, and Aid). I think it's really only Trad, Sport, and TR that need identification.
NickMartel · · Tucson, Arizona · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 1,330

Nick W: I love the site as you can see from my contributions. In the Arizona/NM forum we are having a conversation about stuff that dovetails with this nicely which you may want to look at since obviously you may be open to tweaking features. I think the system Jimbo proposes is probably the best. Here is what he said: "I guess I don't understand the problem.

B,G,C = bolts, gear and a fixed anchor. The C (chains) should be an A for anchor

B,G,A, R or X = bolts, gear, fixed anchor and it's run out

B, R or X = bolts, no gear, no fixed anchor and it's very run out

G, (R, X, PG13) = it's a run out out gear climb with no fixed anchor

G is well protected trad with no fixed anchor

Etc., Etc., I don't see how or why there would be any confusion.

Perhaps MP should tag routes with just an "S". Which would signify a "sport route", which is certainly defined these days as bolted, safe and has fixed anchors.

If the general consensus is it's pretty run out by today standards (like Quick Draw McGraw) add a PG13 to the S. If it's R rated it's not a sport route so you go back to the B, R or X.

Searching for a route type would be easy. I want to find safe trad lines with a fixed anchor. Type in G, A and bingo there you have it. "

Here's the thread: mountainproject.com/v/trad-… Thread...

DrApnea · · Wenatchee, WA · Joined May 2011 · Points: 250

The Trad/sport identifier is perfect. If you can't figure out what gear is needed click on the climb and read the description or comments. I think the T/S addition makes it easy to look through a list when you are standing in front of a crag or at home and decide what might be worth your time. Reading the page for a specific climb will give all the rest of the beta you need beyond that.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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