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I need a pack recommendation


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Ray Pinpillage · · West Egg · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 180

I've done a million searches so save that shit, I'm looking for a pack that I may have overlooked.

This is pack is for ice and alpine. Single day, two days tops. Maybe a 25 mile day. I have bigger packs and smaller packs.

Here is what I'm looking for:

- 30'ish Liters
- Removable waist belt (optional webbing belt a plus)
- Ice tool provisions
- Removable lid if it has a lid (doesn't have to have a lid)
- Ice tool provisions
- Efficient minimal compression straps
- Reasonably lightweight

Here's what it can't have:

- Fixed waist belt
- Fiddly ice tool strings
- Monstrous hole left from waist belt apparatus
- Patchwork of tiny fabric
- Delicate
- 40 yards of straps and elastic

Automatic disqualifiers: Osprey, MHW, Cilo Gear

What's that leave? OK, lay it on me.

Mike Mu. · · hagerstown · Joined Feb 2007 · Points: 65

BD speed 30

Brian Abram · · Celo, NC · Joined Oct 2007 · Points: 478
hyperlitemountaingear.com/p…

Ask him to add tool attachments and make the top either a rolltop or removable:
coldcoldworldpacks.com/ozon…

wildthingsgear.com/products…

zimmerbuilt.com/gear-deals.…

Another option in a few months:
basegear.com/arcteryx-alpha…
sietovanderheide.blogspot.c…

Custom options of any sort for cheap:
borahgear.com/stealth.html
Tits McGee · · Boulder, CO · Joined Apr 2008 · Points: 280

I have been digging my arc'teryx nozone 35. Single day plus sizing. Minimal waist belt and compression strappiness, with intuitive ice tool holders built in. Burly, but light. Removable/floating lid with big expansion/snow collar for overnighter over stuffing. And I've been seeing it on steep and cheap for $130ish.

davidh · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2013 · Points: 1,130

I have one of these and it is the opposite of delicate.
Fulfils your criteria, except the waist belt is not removable.
Kinda spensy too
cactusequipment.co.nz/onlin…

Paul-B · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2011 · Points: 115

Really been loving my Gregory Alpinisto. I have the 50, but it comes in a 35, and I believe it meets all of your requirements. Check it out!

gregorypacks.com/GM323_cfg.…

climber pat · · Las Cruces, NM · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 215
Mike Mu. wrote:BD speed 30
I have a 2 year old BD speed 30 and like it a lot. My only complaint is the ice axe attachements are difficult to deal with. The attachment is basically a string with a slider to adjust the length. I am not smart enough to figure out the slider. But then I generally put the ice axe before the hike, take them off for the climb and put them back on for the hike out so I don't have to deal with it too much.

I like your pack requirements and can't haves; let us know what you decide upon.
Joe Palma · · Stouffville, Ontario · Joined Feb 2011 · Points: 35

Deuter Guide Light 32 has everything save for the removable lid. You can however, easily mod the pack with scissors to make the lid removable

Tom-onator · · trollfreesociety · Joined Feb 2010 · Points: 790

Quite a few suggestions here Mr Ray.
mountainproject.com/v/looki…

Good luck on your quest.

Paul Merchant · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 10

+1 for the nozone 35
very light 2lbs 3ozs removeable lid and hip belt $148 for the next two days on steep and cheap
steepandcheap.com/gear-cach…

Also check out the wild things guide pack. It's 26L and weights only 28oz. On sale for about $150 with coupon code WILD-HOLIDAY
wildthingsgear.com/collecti…

divnamite · · New York, NY · Joined Aug 2007 · Points: 90

None of BD packs I owned over the years last more than a few seasons. Gregory packs have always been on the heavy side of things. HMG has good reviews, but I would still recommend CCW. They don't have a pack that's exactly your spec but Randy will customize for you easily and probably well within your price range. I don't know if you like the new hightec fabric, but I had seen nothing but bad luck with Cilogear and Wildthings new fabric.

I would start with the CCW Ozone ($105). Add ice tool straps and compression strap. Add a roll top or a removable lid. You can probably get new fabric if you like. The whole thing will still probably come under $150. And most likely it'll last for 20 years. Honestly, if I was to get another pack, I would go with Randy in a heart beat.

Ray Pinpillage · · West Egg · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 180
Mike Mu. wrote:BD speed 30
Waist belt doesn't come off and has fiddly ice tool retention.
Tits McGee · · Boulder, CO · Joined Apr 2008 · Points: 280

Beware of non supportive foamy packs. After two long days with a Wild Things Guide pack, I sold it. Not to mention a puncture in the X-PAC material first time out. CCW packs have the same removable foam bivy pad/frame sheet. I guess I wasn't core enough to handle it. With my nozone the stays are removable and the frame sheet is rigid, but not removable. It's more of an optimist's pack when it comes to not having a built in bivy pad option.

The Gregory alpinisto has one, but is heavier. I'd say if you want a fully stripable pack that has the best of both worlds, it may be a good option. Cushy/heavy when you want it. Light and Fast when you need it.

NC Rock Climber · · The Oven, AKA Phoenix · Joined Dec 2009 · Points: 60

I know that you ruled out CiloGear, and assume that it was because you find it "delicate." Have you looked at their "guide service" 30:30? It fits all your other requirements and is built with tougher fabric.

Ray Pinpillage · · West Egg · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 180
NC Rock Climber wrote:I know that you ruled out CiloGear, and assume that it was because you find it "delicate." Have you looked at their "guide service" 30:30? It fits all your other requirements and is built with tougher fabric.
No, its because of their patchwork construction, poor quality control, and non existent customer service.
Ray Pinpillage · · West Egg · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 180
Tits McGee wrote:Beware of non supportive foamy packs. After two long days with a Wild Things Guide pack, I sold it. Not to mention a puncture in the X-PAC material first time out. CCW packs have the same removable foam bivy pad/frame sheet. I guess I wasn't core enough to handle it. With my nozone the stays are removable and the frame sheet is rigid, but not removable. It's more of an optimist's pack when it comes to not having a built in bivy pad option. The Gregory alpinisto has one, but is heavier. I'd say if you want a fully stripable pack that has the best of both worlds, it may be a good option. Cushy/heavy when you want it. Light and Fast when you need it.
Yeah, I'm not that core either. Plus I avoid custom gear like the plague.

I've been looking at the Nozone 35 and Kea/Kata 30.
Bill Kirby · · Baltimore Maryland · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 480

Deuter Guide 35.

MRock · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2013 · Points: 10

Hmg is killer, but pricey.

I have an older arcteryx kahmsin 38 that sounds like it would be ideal, other than the non removable top. However they stopped making it, they've gotta have a similar bag produced now though.

Nate K · · Bozeman, MT · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 240

Cilo gear makes a 30L that sounds like it would work for you too.http://www.cilogear.com/30lws.html

Alton R. · · Boulder, Co · Joined Jan 2010 · Points: 160

Ray,

Check out this pack from Lowe. I think it fits your needs perfectly! And has multiple colors! Can't beat options!

lowealpine.com/mountain-att…

Ray Pinpillage · · West Egg · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 180
MRock wrote:Hmg is killer, but pricey. I have an older arcteryx kahmsin 38 that sounds like it would be ideal, other than the non removable top. However they stopped making it, they've gotta have a similar bag produced now though.
The Kahmsin is interesting, Arcteryx makes the Kahmski now. The NoZone I think is closer to what I had in mind. The Kea/Kata would be perfect if the lid came off.

I'm not interested in Cuben. I climbed with a guy that had an HMG bag, it looked like a giant white trash bag. HMG reminds me of 1987. A lot of the small pack manufacturers seem to be stuck in that time period. Lowe, Gregory, and Deuter are stuck in 1997.
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