Warning: Traps found in BLM wilderness near Red Rock


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John Wilder · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Feb 2004 · Points: 1,530

For those visiting the area and those who live here- a local climber was hiking to Mt Potosi this week when her dog was caught in a trap ( Examples of the trap found just off the trail. ) less than two feet from the main trail to the crag. Luckily, the dog was well trained and held still for her to free, but it is still worrisome.

It has also come to our attention that whoever set the traps has also been setting them in the vicinity of the Red Rock Campground (and, apparently they are legal according to a BLM ranger).

If you have kids or dogs, please make sure to keep them on trail and be aware that these things are out there.

Ryan Kempf · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jul 2011 · Points: 230

That's fkd up man. Are these placed maliciously? I've never heard this was an issue in RR?

rock_fencer · · Columbia, SC · Joined Dec 2009 · Points: 265

Wow that is seriously f'ed. What goes on in Vegas these days

Dylan B. · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 938

Here's a PDF map of where hunting and trapping are allowed in RR:

http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/nv/field_offices/las_vegas_field_office/closure_maps/red_rock_hunting_and.Par.8719.File.dat/Red%20Rock%20NCA%20Hunting%20Trapping.pdf

Looks to me like it's not permitted in the bottom of the canyons, but it is permitted up at higher elevations.

John Wilder · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Feb 2004 · Points: 1,530

Thanks for the link- although while it shows that trapping is not legal near the campground, we heard from the rangers that there are traps out there (supposedly not too close- maybe just outside the no trapping boundary?).

Either way- be careful out there!

rock_fencer · · Columbia, SC · Joined Dec 2009 · Points: 265

What are they trying to trap. Wild asses?

Dylan B. · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 938

When we were climbing Dark Shadows a few weeks ago one of the parties behind us left three dogs--off leash--to run around the canyon. I don't know if this is common or not, but I'd be very worried about a dog being caught in a trap while I'm on the fourth, fifth, eighth pitch of a climb and too far to get there to rescue my dog quickly.

J. Albers · · Colorado · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 1,793
D.Buffum wrote:When we were climbing Dark Shadows a few weeks ago one of the parties behind us left three dogs--off leash--to run around the canyon. I don't know if this is common or not, but I'd be very worried about a dog being caught in a trap while I'm on the fourth, fifth, eighth pitch of a climb and too far to get there to rescue my dog quickly.
If you leave three fricking dogs to run around unsupervised in the canyons so that they can tear sh*t up and harass wildlife, then f*ck it, if your dogs get tagged, so be it.

Sheesh, some of you folks make all dog owners look like a bunch of selfish A-holes.
Dylan B. · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 938
J. Albers wrote: If you leave three fricking dogs to run around unsupervised in the canyons so that they can tear sh*t up and harass wildlife, then f*ck it, if your dogs get tagged, so be it. Sheesh, some of you folks make all dog owners look like a bunch of selfish A-holes.
You may think it's irresponsible for a dog owner to let their dogs run around in the woods unsupervised, but should the dog pay the price for the owner's irresponsibility by being caught in a leg trap? (Rhetorical question). It's not the owner's suffering I'd be concerned with; it's the dog's suffering.

To be clear, I had no complaints about the dogs down in the canyon; they were happy doing their doggie thing, and not bothering anyone. They probably helped keep the Ring Tail Cats out of our packs.

I'd be more concerned about trapping in high-traffic areas where people bring pets.
J. Albers · · Colorado · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 1,793
D.Buffum wrote: To be clear, I had no complaints about the dogs down in the canyon; they were happy doing their doggie thing, and not bothering anyone. They probably helped keep the Ring Tail Cats out of our packs.
You totally missed the point. Yet somehow your post inadvertently makes my point. The dogs weren't bothering anyone except say, the Ring Tail Cats? Or maybe the sheep that are well known to inhabit the canyon? Dogs chasing the wildlife IS a problem. It always drives me nuts when I am up in a wilderness and I see leashless dogs chasing after everything that moves. Yet the owners somehow think 'nah, its cool man'. No its not.
Ken Jones · · Grants, NM · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 80

Leg hold traps are primitive and disgusting. Dog, coyote, bobcat, baby human, whatever. Nothing should have to suffer thru that type of cruelty. There is a bigger point here.

I almost always leave my dogs at home when I go climbing. Often the two just don't mix. It is a human, not a canine issue when problems arise.

If you find a trap piss on it. That tends to keep wildlife away. May not be legal, but at least it is humane.

Tim Hudgel · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2009 · Points: 150

Good idea, Ken.

Meme Guy · · Land of Runout Slab · Joined Sep 2013 · Points: 325

Where do you yuppies get your food from? Animals crowded in pens day and night covered in their own shit?

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 275

If you see a trap near a trail, put a stick in it to activate it. That will eliminate that danger until it is reset. Those things are inhumane.

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 275
dnoB ekiM wrote: Frank, if you do this in Nevada, you have committed a misdemeanor...and the gestapo will come for you.
Unless it's under camera surveillance, or someone sees me, unlikely I will end up in the hoosegow. Or the gulag. Danger is my middle name (except for climbing and other risk-taking :)

https://youtu.be/TH_JRjJtNSw
FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 275
dnoB ekiM wrote: Did you read my post? Surveillance is common. Further, the Game Warden's can cite you, apparently, solely on suspicion.
I would be like a ninja, or a cat burglar - stealthy and undetectable. As long as they're not near a trail (see OP's post), the traps will remain unmolested by me.
eli poss · · Durango, Co · Joined May 2014 · Points: 456

That's pretty fucked up. somebody activating a trap on a trail is doing so public service, protecting people's safety. Let me guess, if I accidently step on a trap set on a trail, I have no legal grounds in nevada to sue the hunter for medical bills?

eli poss · · Durango, Co · Joined May 2014 · Points: 456

wonderful. Perhaps a petition is in order?

SRB25 · · Woodside, ca · Joined Nov 2014 · Points: 5

As Eli mentioned: Accidentally activating a trap that is laying in the middle of a public thoroughfare is a misdemeanor? I find that difficult to believe. This is your anecdotal experience? Or it is the norm and routine to charge the public with these offenses.

mpech · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2013 · Points: 6

Is this actually true? I can't believe it-- setting a trap in the middle of a hiking trail is not only legal, but illegal to tamper with?

mpech · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2013 · Points: 6
dnoB ekiM wrote: You can read the law in NRS 503. Particularly, NRS 503.454(2) "It is unlawful to remove or disturb the trap, snare or similar device of any holder of a trapping license while the trap, snare or similar device is being legally used by the holder on public land or on land where the holder has permission to trap." I understand your disbelief...
My disbelief stems from the fact that it is legal to set traps in places directly where humans are expected to be walking.
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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