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Extreme Mountaineering or Extreme BS? I think the latter...


NC Rock Climber · · The Oven, AKA Phoenix · Joined Dec 2009 · Points: 60

They still have comments enabled on their youtube channel. That would be another great place to share your opinion on Mission 14.

D Stevenson · · Escalange, UT · Joined Dec 2010 · Points: 25
NC Rock Climber wrote:They still have comments enabled on their youtube channel. That would be another great place to share your opinion on Mission 14.
+1

They don't seem very active on twitter, unfortunately. Any way to hit them with our comments in a way that can't be collapsied/shut down/moderated?
NC Rock Climber · · The Oven, AKA Phoenix · Joined Dec 2009 · Points: 60

I think the best way to make your opinion known is to write letters to their sponsors.

Allen Sanderson · · Oootah · Joined Jul 2007 · Points: 1,187

FWIW Asolo is now an official sponsor ... there is an official link on the Buttbook link.

    · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 205

I got banned from posting a couple of weeks ago because I posted the Wikipedia page for 8kers (which shows death rates). I asked how many porters they thought would be sacrificed.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight…

NC Rock Climber · · The Oven, AKA Phoenix · Joined Dec 2009 · Points: 60

Back on 8/14 Mission 14 made the following comment on their FB page:

"...thanks for your comment. Rest assured that we did not erase any comments from our FB page, in fact we welcome open dialogue around Mission 14."

Despite what they claim, it look like Mission 14 only "welcomes open dialogue" if it is supportive of their efforts. If you question what they are doing, you get blocked.

Does anyone know how to get their annual financial statement? Since they are a 501(c) organization / nonprofit, it should be public record. It would be interesting to see what they are really doing with the money and how much of it actually gets to charities that directly help kids.

D Stevenson · · Escalange, UT · Joined Dec 2010 · Points: 25

I got banned from posting a couple of weeks ago because I posted the Wikipedia page for 8kers (which shows death rates). I asked how many porters they thought would be sacrificed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight…

OOOH! That's a good one. It will be about impossible to do this without causing loss of life. Let's work up some statistics for to email to sponsors/post.

I'm technically at work, so I don't have time to figure it out, but I'll do it later this evening.

What was the total # of Sherpas he was taking along again?

D Stevenson · · Escalange, UT · Joined Dec 2010 · Points: 25

So the average death rate between all top 14 peaks comes out to about 10%. Of course, not every Sherpa will be at high risks, but I am sure that some will end up giving their lives.

Not to mention the Sherpas are a very exploited culture, making an average of $1,400 a year per capita.

So not only are they risking other people's lives, they are EXPLOITING other people's lives, as I see it.

    · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 205

something like 3800 sherpas is what they said. strangely, i can't find that number anymore :)

NC Rock Climber · · The Oven, AKA Phoenix · Joined Dec 2009 · Points: 60

yeah. I don't see the $5.6 mil number any more either. they are toning down the "extreme" angle after getting such a negative response from their promotional Youtube video. That video is now "private," but it should be archived somewhere on the net. Someone with strong google-fu should be able to find it easily. On that vid they talk about the number of sherpa.

ze dirtbag · · Tahoe · Joined Jun 2012 · Points: 50

at least he's not going about it pussy style like that ueli steck guy where you have to rely on being good in the mountains. if you're a real man, you get a bunch of sponsors and peasants to handle all those little details like paing for the expedition, fixing the ropes, carrying your shit, making your camp and putting the little mint on your pillow each night

Brian Bulthuis · · New York, NY · Joined Nov 2008 · Points: 0

"Over 3780 porters and nearly 100 support staff" was their original statement. I guess if they're now only going to do 6 summits in 2014 the logistics become so trivial they're no longer worth a mention on their website.

web.archive.org/web/2013042…

D Stevenson · · Escalange, UT · Joined Dec 2010 · Points: 25
Brian Bulthuis wrote:"Over 3780 porters and nearly 100 support staff" was their original statement. I guess if they're now only going to do 6 summits in 2014 the logistics become so trivial they're no longer worth a mention on their website. web.archive.org/web/2013042…
I was starting to hope he would fail, but with that many porters they'll just haul his frozen ass to the summits anyway. Then... they'll call him a hero.

Ugh.
NC Rock Climber · · The Oven, AKA Phoenix · Joined Dec 2009 · Points: 60

Here is another gem from the FAQ on the Mission 14 website:

"Why don’t you just skip climbing the mountains and give all that money to charity?

If only it were that easy. Raising money is extremely difficult. If Mission 14™ could raise millions of dollars without doing anything, we would. However, since people don’t simply give away money, we’ve come up with a great platform for brands and individuals who might never have supported the fight against human trafficking otherwise. We create a global audience of millions of followers with compelling and authentic content, and keep the mission of combating human trafficking front and center. Then not only are our sponsors engaged charitably, our audience is too, and incredible fundraising opportunities open up."

What a bunch of marketing double-speak. This is all about Nick, and the opportunity for NIck to have his "adventure" paid for by someone else. "Helping the children" is just a means to an end. The end is supporting Nick's ego and getting him to the top of mountains. The expedition costs $5.6 M. If Nick and his team forgot about the expedition and spent two years just raising money and awareness I am sure that the the cause of human trafficking would be much better off. At its core, this "charity" is a con, the "climbing expedition" is joke by any standard. I sincerely hope that the donors, both corporate and individual, will open their eyes and see this fiasco for exactly what it is.

BTW, don't forget to go to the Mission 14 FB page and "like" Ryan and Davis' posts. They already have more likes than all but one other post ever made on that page.

Mark Ra · · Frange, CO · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65

bump

Buff Johnson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2005 · Points: 1,145

i got more likes helping out w/ the birth of my niece than any of my mtn pics, if that's any comparison to the "extreme"

at least a few of the m14 peak baggers were able to walk up the big slag heap in the south

Toby Butterfield · · Portland, OR · Joined Aug 2010 · Points: 140

I really miss the original teaser video. Does anyone have it archived?

    · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 205

They posted this in January on Facebook:

"Changes to our plans...http://www.mission14.org/
After receiving extensive input from the climbing community and our primary sponsors about our original plans to climb all fourteen 8,000 meter peaks in 2014, Mission 14 has substantially revised its goals and climbing style. We are grateful for the candid (albeit painful at times) feedback we received concerning the risks and style of our original approach.

Starting in the spring of 2015, we will attempt to set a new Himalayan record of summiting six of the highest mountains in the world in a single year. We have formed a multi-national team of eight climbers who will participate in the climbs. These individuals come from varied backgrounds with solid climbing experience. The diversity of the team is expected to provide great insight, color and content to the overall story of the expedition.

The climbs will happen in the two key climbing seasons; spring and fall. In the spring the plan will be to summit Everest, Lhotse and Makalu. In the fall the team will be on Manaslu, Cho Oyu and Shishapangma.

The primary goal of the mission is still to raise awareness and funding for organizations working to eradicate human trafficking in the US and around the world. Despite our early missteps, our current financial support allows these organizations to do the work they have been called to do."

Doug S · · W Pa · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 55

From the "Team" page on Mission14's website. Current team members are Nick and his wife, evidently.

“At 18 years old I left college and enrolled in a 3-month outdoor leadership course in the Rocky Mountains of Canada. Four weeks later I lay dead at the bottom of a dark, wet cave. My rope broke as I was rappelling down into the main room and I fell over 75 feet bouncing off walls and rocks. Despite the fall I didn’t have a single broken bone, just some torn muscles in my lower back and slight concussion. Two weeks later I was climbing and skiing in the backcountry.” -Nick Cienski

Allen Sanderson · · Oootah · Joined Jul 2007 · Points: 1,187
David Barbour wrote:They posted this in January on Facebook: "Changes to our plans...http://www.mission14.org/ After receiving extensive input from the climbing community and our primary sponsors about our original plans to climb all fourteen 8,000 meter peaks in 2014, Mission 14 has substantially revised its goals and climbing style. We are grateful for the candid (albeit painful at times) feedback we received concerning the risks and style of our original approach. Starting in the spring of 2015, we will attempt to set a new Himalayan record of summiting six of the highest mountains in the world in a single year. "
While their overall goals/style still do not do much for me, at least they listened. And probably realized that they were not being taken seriously thus were not going to meet their goals in any shape or form.
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