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Cochise Stronghold Poo-Bandit

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racheltucson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2012 · Points: 0

Dear Cochise Stronghold Poo-Bandit,
Please stop pooing next to the trail. Please stop pooing at the crag. If these sudden emergency poos are common, please keep a wag-bag in your pack, or at least poo on a flat rock and putt that poo into the abyss, away from trails and riparian areas. Better yet , poo where you can dig a proper cat-hole and we won't have to worry about our dogs eating it and then licking our faces. Maybe even make a special trip to the latrine, or let your own dog eat your poo. It would save us all a stinky and icky time at the crag.
Climb on, and please leave no trace.
Thank you!!!

Bill Dugan · · San Bernardino, CA · Joined Nov 2010 · Points: 0

+1...this girl joined the site just for you PooBandit!...ya Basturd!

Geir www.ToofastTopos.com · · Tucson, AZ · Joined Jun 2006 · Points: 2,635

Better yet let's eliminate all mammals and reptiles from the outdoors. That will eliminate most terrestrial poop producers. The remaining ones such as insects, amphibians, and birds produce relatively low volume dumps that should not be as offending.

1Eric Rhicard · · Tucson · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 8,944

You mean those "wag" bags are not for the dog? Shit I have been cleaning up after my dog for years. She has been cleaning up after me which is why I don't let her lick me. Hmmm. Love the internet, it is so informative.

Colin Cox · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2008 · Points: 2,679

My dog has cleaned up so many shallow dumps I've thought about getting him sponsored by the Access Fund.

Mike Dudley · · Vegas · Joined Nov 2008 · Points: 155

poop

Adam B · · Wheat Ridge, CO · Joined Oct 2008 · Points: 310
lou · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 60

well said rachel..... also PLEASE dont leave toilet paper all over .... Ive picked up full garbage bags worth of it from the main trail head at cochise.... dont bury it, animals expose it... take it back with you or better yet find on or two rocks on your way to poop and use them to wipe... they work very well, if you have enough fiber in your diet..

cheers.. lou

Nick Irvine · · Flagstaff · Joined Aug 2006 · Points: 60

dont bury it, animals expose it... take it back with you or better yet find on or two rocks on your way to poop and use them to wipe... they work very well, if you have enough fiber in your diet.. cheers.. lou

Hell ya! Poop Sticks, Poop sticks. A song I am known by! (Although packing out is prefered :)

Bob S · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2011 · Points: 0

I don't normally get involved with these discussions, i figure live and let live.
But, after arriving at our favorite winter camp site and starting to pick up all the foil, paper plates, beer caps, burned debris in the fire pit etc. etc. I was a little perturbed. When I found the used tampon applicators along with quite a lot of shredded and chewed used tampons all over the site it was painfully evident that some people should just stay home and wallow in their own filth. Please just stay in the gym, indoor shooting range, or ride your atv's within 10 miles of the nearest large city.

Alex McIntyre · · Tucson, AZ · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 495
HoBo wrote:Well well well, as soon as the acces to the ET is closed look at what happens. And people wonder why there was so much anamosity towards the AZ crowd for the towers access being shut down. Probably the same lame ass clowns who shitted that place up were shitting up the tower too. AZ has got some serious shit to deal with, no shit.
Hey there, Mr. Anonymous. You mad, bro?
Alex McIntyre · · Tucson, AZ · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 495
HoBo wrote: Mad because I lost access to the only good local climbing in my area? Nah. Why would that make me mad? It's sunny, 60 degrees, and I can't climb there which is perfect. It's awesome, just like everyone in this thread loves the poo bandit, I love the people who trash areas. They are cool and their actions should be defended and downplayed, just like you did before the access to the tower was closed. So don't do anything responsible, Alex, just make fun of it all until maybe you can lose your access to this area too.
Making huge blanket statements and completely non-factually based generalizations about an entire state of climbers is the opposite of responsible. NM and other states' climbers likely had as much of an impact if not more so than AZ climbers at the Tower. It was one of my favorite areas, too. I only got out there twice before the easy access was closed. Can't say I didn't see it coming with the amount of after-dark traffic coming in (from multiple states, mind you, not only AZ but also NM and others). You might be surprised to learn that this was actually the reason for the closure, not the "poo everywhere" problem (which I actually didn't ever actually experience, the Tower always seemed pretty clean to me and I was there just over a year ago). We drove in during the day as requested and buried our poo and packed out our TP.

Just because you want to have some amorphous group of people to blame for the closure of (not even the only access to) your local crag, doesn't give you the right to pin it completely on AZ.

Back on topic, climbers most certainly are not the only usergroup to use many of the trails and campsites in the Stronghold. Most of the climbing groups I've seen are pretty diligent about cleaning up after themselves, especially in the Stronghold.
J tot · · Tempe, AZ · Joined Sep 2009 · Points: 449
Colin Cox wrote:My dog has cleaned up so many shallow dumps I've thought about getting him sponsored by the Access Fund.
I'm crying with laughter.
Tim McCabe · · Tucson, AZ · Joined Oct 2006 · Points: 130

Good point Alex seems like it's SOP to blame everything on people from out of state.

HoBo if you want someone to blame look to the developers who turned the crags into a cliffnasium.

Face it climbing has gone mainstream and with that every twit in the country is out there being extreme. Problem is most of them don't take the time to learn any backcountry skills.

Ronnie Miller · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2006 · Points: 265

Every person that came in late every time I was there had NM plates. The person that had a fire while I was there during the restriction was from NM. So maybe you need to look at climber's from your own state before blaming AZ.

HoBo wrote: Mad because I lost access to the only good local climbing in my area? Nah. Why would that make me mad? It's sunny, 60 degrees, and I can't climb there which is perfect. It's awesome, just like everyone in this thread loves the poo bandit, I love the people who trash areas. They are cool and their actions should be defended and downplayed, just like you did before the access to the tower was closed. So don't do anything responsible, Alex, just make fun of it all until maybe you can lose your access to this area too.
Tony B · · Around Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 24,033

People who poo where ever and whenever are more or less the same as people who let their dogs run where ever doing whatever. Both of them are making shit happen that shouldn't be happening.

Greg Malloure · · Prescott Az · Joined Mar 2010 · Points: 20

Just an update the Poo-bandit has moved north. Yesturady at Oak Creek Overlook we threw our ropes just to the left of Trinity Cracks only to disvover on this bright and sunny day we nearly struck tragedy. Our ropes almsot fell into a pile of shit. Not even the slightest efforts were made to disguise the beast and it was agreed it had to have been from a male who had eaten a manwhich some time in the last week.

Colin Cox · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2008 · Points: 2,679
Tony B wrote:People who poo where ever and whenever are more or less the same as people who let their dogs run where ever doing whatever. Both of them are making shit happen that shouldn't be happening.
Someone needs a tissue.
Tim McCabe · · Tucson, AZ · Joined Oct 2006 · Points: 130
David Sahalie wrote: so by that logic, no bolts are to be placed, or only at a certain level? i am all for removing every bolt below 5.12, that would keep most of the climbs on the tower and eliminate most of the rest.
I really don't know much about the tower in NM and don't really care.

I do know that Sheepshead at Cochise used to be a backcountry crag with a handful of routes with a handful of bolts each. Then at some point one of the developers rebolted his routes. Now any wanker can get on these routes and get in over their heads. Like the folks a few years back that climbed until dark and then whipped out their cell phone and called 911.

Gone are the days of working ones way up the grades building the skills and knowledge to climb longer and harder routes. Now people go to a gym for a couple of months get strong buy a rack of draws and expect everything to fall into place.

Its great that climbing has progressed so much in recent years. Its sad that so many climbers have so little respect for the environment and other climbers.

Any idiot who would start a campfire on a warm night when everything is so dry that there are fire restrictions has no place recreating outdoors. People who can't pick up their trash should stay in the city.
Morgan Patterson · · CT · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 8,809

You desert folks are gross...

Tony B · · Around Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 24,033
Colin Cox wrote: Someone needs a tissue.
Someone needs better perceptive skills if they can't tell frantic hand-waiving from a shrug.
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

Arizona & New Mexico
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