What does “Treatment Type: Sheath & Core” mean?
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I recently purchased this rope thinking it was a dry treated rope, but Campsaver says: “I apologize for any confusion, but sheath and core doesn't indicate any specific treatment and those ropes are standard.” |
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Although Campsaver has some great prices and I've bought many things from them, their product info is unreliable. Many times it will conflict with the product name. |
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If they won't let you return it because it is a climbing rope, it sounds almost like a scam. |
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Sheath & Core are really just parts of the rope, but generally they aren't included in listing the kind of treatment unless they're dry treated. |
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The UIAA now has a Water Repellent standard that it quite rigorous. You can find it here: Also remember, every dry treatment with the exception of the Edelrid Eco Dry is loaded up with teflon or other CFCs. And nobody will tell you what toxic stew it is that they use. The other thing to remember is that a dry treatment will seriously degrade the performance of your belay/rappel rig. The tests that are done on Assisted Locking Devices like a Grigri or Vergo are done on standard ropes and the rope diameter guidelines on manual devices are just “guidelines” with no comparative tests done. I’m pretty sure that Jim Titt, the DAV, ENSA and Padova have done comparative tests that will support this. Climb safe, Mal (fuck, I’m starting to sound like a curmudgeon) Daly |
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Malcolm Daly wrote:The other thing to remember is that a dry treatment will seriously degrade the performance of your belay/rappel rig. The tests that are done on Assisted Locking Devices like a Grigri or Vergo are done on standard ropes and the rope diameter guidelines on manual devices are just “guidelines” with no comparative tests done. I’m pretty sure that Jim Titt, the DAV, ENSA and Pandora have done comparative tests that will support this. I had no idea about this! Thanks Mal. Shopping for ropes on campsaver is terrible, it's not even worth the cost savings to me because I don't know what I'm actually buying. |
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Alex Milton wrote: Thankfully I was able to “convince” them that I was being misled and they said they would give me an additional discount. I really wanted a dry rope in the hopes that the beach environment in Thailand wouldn’t destroy the rope as fast as I’ve heard is possible with a non-dry rope...maybe it won’t matter for a 2 week trip :\ |
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Scott Fagen wrote: Won't matter much. We rapped off a route in the rain recently, with two very nearly new "dry" ropes of different makes. Both were soaked and heavy within minutes.I do think the dry treatment keeps the rope a bit cleaner for longer and may help it last longer, but even that is pretty subjective. |
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Malcolm Daly wrote: Mal - Just listened to you on the Sharp End the other week! Great episode: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4ZJunOB5bxI3RMJ4IMDMFF?si=JEnyXbmKTNqaiMfrfCAoCQAlways good running into you at Neptune :) Whenever I buy ropes these days I'm always confused as all get out by the descriptions and treatments and how thick do I want it? Bi pattern or center marker? Twins or singles? (Somebody told me recently that nobody uses 'twins' anymore). We recently had one of the new BD 70s and it lasted barely a season. By the time we retired it I was almost too scared to climb on it - it was so soft. The best way to figure out which rope to buy is surveying your climber friends and getting them to share their opinions. Much like vegans, climber frahnds have no problem talking your ear off about what piece of gear (ropes or otherwise) is best :) |
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I personally like buying stuff from CampSaver even though sometimes their lack of general organization can be an issue. When I buy stuff there I do some cross checking to make sure I'm getting what I want--for example, it seems the Zenith isn't made with a dry treatment at all, so that's a giveaway to me (unless I'm dumb and wrong). In this case it's laid out weird but oftentimes when they have ropes for sale, the treatment is in the little color/style chooser thing (which I realize it isn't here). |
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Hey Easy Cheese,
See you at the shop Mal |