New BD cams

I'll be happy with them if it means the current generation of x4s goes on discount

jon jugenheimer wrote: Tradiban has, and it was a purple C3 if I remember correctly on that slippery rock in WI that cams don’t work at all on.

Pretty sure it was a pink Tricam...

usb compliant? if you cant download yer placements, whats the point-

jon jugenheimer wrote: Tradiban has, and it was a purple C3 if I remember correctly on that slippery rock in WI that cams don’t work at all on.

Word. And since then I have legit whipped in the #000. Although, it was in granite ;)

Drtysmellyhippy wrote:

There are some around Wisco. I think. 

Wildside had a full set last fall - which is now a part of Baker's rack I think - plus a few other assorted C3s.  Try there if you are looking for a couple miscellaneous ones.  

They are just the new generation of x4’s. Don’t really know why. The current x4’s are good enough. Now I’ll have to pay $100 per x4. The only hope I have is that the new x4’s will somehow accommodate sizes 000, 00, and 0 with the new cable/trigger design. Anyone else notice smaller trigger distance?

Also...

chris tregge wrote:

Wildside had a full set last fall - which is now a part of Baker's rack I think - plus a few other assorted C3s.  Try there if you are looking for a couple miscellaneous ones.  

Nice, I’ll stop in and take a look. Thanks for the beta Doc. 

So that people will buy the new ones.

Jake Jones wrote: It looks like there's essentially a square-ish plastic spiral around the section of stem from the trigger to the piece that holds the lobe wires.  Not exactly ground-breaking enhancement.  If I had to pick one or the other based on appearance alone, I'd go with the "beads" instead of this plastic housing.  To me, it looks like more to get hung up and trap dirt.  I wonder what they're saying this is an improvement upon?  The X4s are already fairly light.  I just don't see the reason for redesigning.

Looks like when you pull the trigger they nest together, making it rigid for easier placement.

Chris K wrote:The only hope I have is that the new x4’s will somehow accommodate sizes 000, 00, and 0 with the new cable/trigger design. 

Nolan Huther wrote:

This what you wanted?

I have the purple c3 and the red x4 barely fits that size. So I feel that this chart is skewed or that the widest range of the cams has been taken into account. I.e. a fully open cam is not safe. The red x4 is the same range as the green c3. But let’s save this conversation for the other forum topic post “c3’s discontinued?” 

Tradiban wrote:

Word. And since then I have legit whipped in the #000. Although, it was in granite ;)

Took a 30 footer on a 000. They fucking work.

Jake Jones wrote:

I guess I'm one of the few people that never had any problems with them being too floppy.  In my experience, the more rigid (especially the lighter the cam) the more prone they are to walking.  Still not a net benefit IMO.  YMMV.

But these look like when they're open, they're floppy, and pulling on the trigger makes them rigid by crunching that empty space together to create a solid surface... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

scott fuzz wrote: usb compliant? if you cant download yer placements, whats the point-

"IT'S FUCKING RIDICULOUS THAT YOU CAN'T USE THESE CAMS WHEN YOU'RE ON THE MP APP" -Ian C. aka Reformed Potty Mouth Since Luke B. Is So Sensitive aka Entitled PA climber aka Tired and grumpy

Ted Pinson wrote: So that people will buy the new ones.

Or so that people don't buy BD's competitors' new ones.

Thomas Claiborne wrote:

Took a 30 footer on a 000. They fucking work.

Not at Devils Lake they don't.

Chris K wrote:

I have the purple c3 and the red x4 barely fits that size. So I feel that this chart is skewed or that the widest range of the cams has been taken into account. I.e. a fully open cam is not safe. The red x4 is the same range as the green c3. But let’s save this conversation for the other forum topic post “c3’s discontinued?” 

Also no. I want the narrower headwidth. 

+1 on the red x4 almost being the same as the green c3 in most situations on Sierra granite. I swear that extra cam lob/ head width makes these things more prone to getting stuck/ catching on slightly larger crystals, where .5mm makes a difference. I almost lost mine the first day I used it because of this. 

NorCalNomad wrote:

+1 on the red x4 almost being the same as the green c3 in most situations on Sierra granite. I swear that extra cam lob/ head width makes these things more prone to getting stuck/ catching on slightly larger crystals, where .5mm makes a difference. I almost lost mine the first day I used it because of this. 

The number of times I get a micro x4 stuck is so frustrating. Whereas if I had just a bit less headwidth it wouldn’t happen!! Especially on granite when I’m pumped out and push in the cam slightly wrong. Had an x4 set wrong on me yesterday and couldn’t fix it. Put a c3 in 15 ft later and it was like putting a hot knife in butter. 

If I was a cam manufacturer, I'd put everything on hold and stop making cams until Totem's Direct Loading patent runs out. I can't see any new design being better. Totems could certainly be improved, but that key piece is what really separates them from everyone else.

Ma Ja wrote: If I was a cam manufacturer, I'd put everything on hold and stop making cams until Totem's Direct Loading patent runs out. I can't see any new design being better. Totems could certainly be improved, but that key piece is what really separates them from everyone else.

But... capitalism.