Kit for self rescue, sports climbing, beginner Trad on a shoestring
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Hi everyone! In the next few weeks I want to have all intermediate and advanced self-rescue skills dialed. Think escaping belay, getting yourself off the cliffs safely with unconscious climber or leader, 6:1 hauling system, what to do when you dropped critical gears, etc. |
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I've been climbing for 40 years, I was a climbing guide for 20 and caver for 10 and cumulatively have spent thousands of hours in vertical terrain. I practiced rescue systems up the wazoo. I have used a few pulley systems to set up tyroleans, for pulling my vehicles out when stuck, and to raise beams to build my post and beam house. |
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Spidey Rocks wrote: Though I have some basic Trad gear, I intend to focus on sports climbing until I have rescue skills dialed. Its actually probably easier if you start out from a trad perspective. If you have 6 alpine draws with you, you have instantly 12 free bieners (or 6 "lockers" by doing opposite and opposed) and 6 slings for making klemhiests with - thats a pretty good start. Add maybe a single 20 ft cordalette and a knife and you're good to go - remember if you're rescuing your partner you get to pull stuff of their harness as well. If shit has really hit the fan start chopping the ends off your rope for extra cord. |
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Kind of a difficult question to answer, here is climbing gear to be familiar with, that can be used in climbing and also for self rescue.
There is a lot of things you can learn out there. I would start with scenarios that I believe are most likely to happen, and as you learn how to manage those scenarios efficiently, then I would start to learn the more advanced/less commonly used skills. This will take time, the learning always continues. And no amount of practice in a controlled setting replaces the valuable learning that takes place while out climbing and doing. Hope this helps! Happy training/climbing! |
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My Oh-Shit-Kit consists of: |
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First of all, don't waste you're time learning a bunch of different haul systems. 95% of the time going down is going to be a better option than going up. For other hauling needs the block and tackle and/or the 2:1 described here will cover pretty much all other self-rescue hauling needs. For gear:
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There’s no need to read any posts after mountainhick’s. This one included. |
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A cell phone or satellite messenger is a great rescue tool, as much as basic self-rescue skills. |
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from 1986 to 1991 I taught self-rescue workshops for the AMGA to aspirant guides preparing for certification. In addition to their usual belay kit and trad rack appropriate to the climb they're on,, participants were required to carry 2 x 5+-mil cordelletes of 5 meters each (about 18 feet -- I round up to 20 for myself) and three or four locking carabiners. nothing more. pulleys were optional -- they make hauling rigs more efficient, but the rigs can be built with only carabiners. For those of us who typically carry a cordelette or two for anchor building, and who equip a number of our alpine-draws with lightweight locking carabiners on the rope end of the draw, this amounts to carrying ZERO "extra" gear for self-rescue. |
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Thanks so much, everyone for your input. I didn't mean to suggest that I wanted to buy lots of extra stuff just for rescue. In fact, quite the contrary was my intent. But since I didn't have enough cordelettes, runners, etc, I figured I would seek advice on how much I actually need to buy so that I would have enough for basic trad, sports, and rescue. |
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Spidey Rocks wrote: I guess different people accept different levels of risk. Even crusty old timers often don't have the skillset needed to handle emergencies. Since i have no control over my partners' abilities (and even capable climbers could freak out when shit hits the fan, partly because they have not practiced or learned self-rescue skills), I could only mitigate risks by being as self-sufficient as possible to handle different situations, and potentially even compensate for what my partner does not know or can't do in order to get us out safely. Yes you do have control over your partners' abilities. You don't have to climb with people who don't have the abilities you want in a partner. You can communicate to your partners how you want things done. And you can choose climbs that are suited to you and your partners' abilities. Don't be afraid to assess your partners' abilities and choose climbs conservatively until you have partners whose abilities you trust. It's your life at stake! |
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I only meant that I don't have control over how they would respond to different situations. I have met many "experienced" climbers with habits I think are less than safe, but I have never met a climber who said he was an unsafe climber with dicey techniques. |
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My chalk bag belt is a piece of webbing with a quick-link for a "buckle." I carry a personal locker with a double shoulder length nylon sling, a Prusik and a Tibloc on it. I always have a knife on me in the outdoors. |
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Bootz Ylectric wrote: I carry a personal locker with a double shoulder length nylon sling, a Prusik and a Tibloc on it. I always have a knife on me in the outdoors. |
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Spidey Rocks wrote: I have the same book and the one from FalconGuides. How has the Tibloc been working for you? Someone else says he uses Petzl traxion, which seems pricey.Another great book. That more than anything special you carry is what is important. Always keep learning new things, and you'll have a big tool bag to get yourself out of trouble. Tibloc has worked great any time I've used it for a haul, ascending a short section of rope, etc. Small, light and simple. |
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The tibloc and other micro ascenders (personally I prefer the ropeman over the tibloc but that's just personal preference) are a great tool to have and really don't weigh a whole lot. However, they are a supplement and not a replacement for prusik loops as they can only ascend single strand. If you find out you need to ascender back up the rappel you just did, you're gonna be SOL if you brought a tibloc instead of prusik loops. |
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Like previously mentioned, take a self-rescue course that doesn't need you to have special equipment beyond prussics and locking carabiners. |
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eli poss wrote: Yikes! I am glad your buddy appreciated it (and he/she owes you dinner!) |
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mountainhick wrote: I've been climbing for 40 years, I was a climbing guide for 20 and caver for 10 and cumulatively have spent thousands of hours in vertical terrain. I practiced rescue systems up the wazoo. I have used a few pulley systems to set up tyroleans, for pulling my vehicles out when stuck, and to raise beams to build my post and beam house. But mountainhick? What about the time you were climbing that multipitch route with a really hard overhang pitch and your leader fell off, hit his head and was unconscious? You tried to simply lower him back to you, but no, he was forty feet out in space and there was no way to reach him! OMG! |
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Spidey Rocks wrote: Actually it was partly my fault, partly his that he got stuck in the first place. It was a rope swing on rappel at looking glass arch and I told him to tie a catastrophe knot in the brake strand, which ended up jamming in his belay device. I should have made sure he left more space between the device and the knot and he should have gripped the brake strand better. He certainly appreciated it, but also appreciates the opportunity to give me shit over it any time the topic comes up. Moral of the story, make sure you have at least 2 prusik loops on you at all times. And more importantly, make sure you know how to use them! |