What would you do? All opinions are welcome

I have encountered this before. It falls exactly along the lines of who is friends with whom and has nothing to do with the necessity of the bolts or not.

Party A, part of the cool kids or Uber cool state topropes near or on the line. Thinks the bolting is unnecessary and so do all his friends.

Party B, an interloper, from somewhere like Ohio or Colorado. He bolts the line and his buddies love it. It's an independent line that hasn't been led. What's not to love.

Party C, everyone else, the don't know anyone involved in the situation and they don't know the long and hallowed oral history of this magical place of rock. They're only looking to go climbing. They will generally love the new route unless the bolter did something stupid with the bolts or anchors.

While I am not really into harboring enough active hostility to go chop up someone's work, nor developing a route on crappy rock, piggy-backing on the popularity of a classic,

Robert Hall wrote: Too bad about the mixed bolts, 100% SS should be minimum these days.

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Since the comments on the route seem to indicate it's a pretty well liked.

Well why wouldn't the comments indicate that it was well liked? If one read the route page, it could be observed that those favorable comments were posted by the developers of said route, e.g. KY Pete, et al.

I don't know, but when I read this thread I hears this song in muh head.

Seven....There's a "blatent, beautiful, easy" walk off from the usual top-out(s)  of Roger's Rock???.....a walk off that returns to the base (and not up to the trail and then on to the campground). i.e. A walk off that doesn't traverse the top of the cliff (rotten with lose blocks, which rained down on us when some goofers tried to get to the top via the trail) or go through the (lose) talus above?

Please, please, if you know of such, post it on MtnProjct !  [In fact any walk off would be great to know about, even if it isn't "blatent, beautiful, [and] easy" ! ] The tree gully on the left is ugly, trashy and ends in mossy slab; the full-of-lose-stuff gully on the right can be rapped with a single rope by to down-climb it???  I

cassondra long wrote: If one read the route page, it could be observed that those favorable comments were posted by the developers of said route, e.g. KY Pete, et al.

This. All the people who have rated it and posted about its quality were involved in its development. That hardly makes it well-liked by the community. I doubt anyone other than them have even done it given the weather in RR lately. And this Kentucky Pete character even seems to ackowledge that is questionably bolted in the comments section. 

I was not involved in the development. I've climbed bbw, pg, and now this (before all the rain and cold came). When I finished it, people on pg walked across us to get to walk off while I was belaying my follower. 

It's definitely more than 10 feet to the left of BBW. I will admit there are some points where it seems like you could join up with bbw, but just stay left, and follow the boltline?

The bolts are there. Climb and comment on it; suggest edits where necessary, and let followers/readers of MP decide for themselves? 

Dan,
It’s kentucky pete, what’d you expect?!? Kick back and let him regal you with all his storytelling :roll eyes:

Big B wrote: Dan,
It’s kentucky pete, what’d you expect?!? Kick back and let him regal you with all his storytelling :roll eyes:

Shit, I was thinking of Kentucky Joe earlier, Pete must be his replacement.

Funny all these peeps on here rippin Dan...bet most of you climb or have climbed multiple routes of his in RR.
Thank you Dan for your efforts... it’s a pleasure taking new climbers out on your routes ..much appreciated 

chop the bolts and leave them on the dude's hood with a bouquet of cala lilies, so he knows you really mean it.     

I'd get off mountain project and go climb about it. 

Well, considering I'm going to Red Rocks next week with a newer leader, what I would do is go climb both the new route and BBW. It seems like a good addition to the area, that will alleviate traffic on BBW. The FA should consider taking their name down off mountain project, so they don't get threatened with a lawsuit for illegally adding bolts.

FrankPS wrote:

Stay out of our politics, Euro. :)

Yes..... please take care of your own nations mess! 

Is this the same Kentucky Pete who was at Island Rock in Long Island during the early 2000's? He was charging people for climbing lessons.

David Bruneau wrote: Well, considering I'm going to Red Rocks next week with a newer leader, what I would do is go climb both the new route and BBW. It seems like a good addition to the area, that will alleviate traffic on BBW. The FA should consider taking their name down off mountain project, so they don't get threatened with a lawsuit for illegally adding bolts.

Bolting is not legal in wilderness.  The route in question is not in federally designated wilderness.

Weston L wrote:

Bolting is not legal in wilderness.  The route in question is not in federally designated wilderness.

Oh! Good to know. Surprised more sport multipitch hasnt been bolted in the calico hills in that case.

David Bruneau wrote:

Oh! Good to know. Surprised more sport multipitch hasnt been bolted in the calico hills in that case.

There aren't many formations in that area that would fit more than a short pitch.

Even anything on that formation, if the line is straightened out, can be done with a single 70 or 80 at most.  I TR soloed BBW when I moved to town on a 70 for a quick after work workout.

However you climb it, be sure to rap off with two ropes. The walk off is a death march!

Weston L wrote:

Bolting is not legal in wilderness.  The route in question is not in federally designated wilderness.

https://www.blm.gov/policy/im-2007-084