Dear crag-music lovers, drone pilots, and videographers:
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Dear music lovers, drone pilots and videographers: |
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Braden Downey wrote: Any magazine (Climbing, Rock and Ice, Alpinist, Gripped), or retailer/manufacturer (Black Diamond Equipment, Patagonia, REI, Backcountry.com, etc) that would publish something related to this would gain a great deal of respect from the climbing community. Those companies benefit from the images and videos regardless of how they are captured. I would be surprised to see a climbing media outlet come out against what has become mainstream techniques. It would be nice though... |
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Pulling the plug on "Weekend Whippers" would be a start. |
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Braden Downey wrote: Dear music lovers, drone pilots and videographers: Braden, the problem isn't that people don't know this, it's that they don't care. |
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Have you considered killing their crag dog? |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAV8_D71M0o
You're welcome. Just be careful around anyone with a pacemaker. |
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David Bruneau wrote: Regardless whether they are oblivious, inconsiderate, or just don't give a f**k about other climbers, I'm certain we will see less of this behavior if it becomes a more talked about, controversial issue. |
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apoet wrote: We should all call out and public condone drone footage, like this mediocre drone video of Ondra at the creek, posted by Rock and Ice: https://rockandice.com/videos/climbing/adam-ondra-on-hot-pork-sundae-5-13-indian-creek-drone-footage/ |
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Braden Downey wrote: Pretty much every organizationally accepted LNT policy includes some note about considerations towards others, particularly with respect to noise level. Unfortunately, it seems like there are just too many people who don't really care about these ethics, and LNT in general. |
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I think this topic pops up about every other month. I agree that those folks are totally inconsiderate....but they probably view the climbers that don't want all that noise as inconsiderate of what helps them enjoy nature...it's a weird situation. Usually I just shake my head, pack up and move to somewhere quiet. |
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Okay, so if I am the only one rocking up to the crag, do I have to turn my speaker off? I am more than happy to turn it off when someone else rocks up. |
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Braden Downey wrote: This kind of stuff still happens in Ontario, where bad behaviour has gotten crags shut down, and all gyms have signs about outdoor etiquette. I agree though, that education can reduce, but not eliminate bad behaviour. |
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The thing that bothers me most about drones: We finally have ubiquitous technology that can follow along and film a climber from any angle, and it gets used sweeping, dramatic shots in over-edited videos. I would be happy to see a video with the climber just centered in the frame with no cuts. Hold the music. |
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John Clark wrote: Okay, so if I am the only one rocking up to the crag, do I have to turn my speaker off? I am more than happy to turn it off when someone else rocks up. I don't see why you would have to turn it off if you're actually alone, as long as its not so loud it's going to be heard by someone you can't see around the corner, or hikers/other nearby users if its not a strictly climbing area |
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John Clark wrote: Okay, so if I am the only one rocking up to the crag, do I have to turn my speaker off? I am more than happy to turn it off when someone else rocks up. yes, but only because you used 'rocking' and 'rocks' in one sentence |
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Braden Downey wrote: Dear music lovers, drone pilots and videographers: disagree. Don't over generalize climbers. I don't give too shits about any of this, doesn't bother me one iota. I think you are the problem sir, not acknowledging or tolerating how others like to enjoy themselves. |
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jleining wrote: ...says he/she doesn't give too shits but then goes on to express opinion on the problem...nice. |
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If that tiny shenanigans could distract your focus you have no focus at all. |
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These issues aren’t black and white like LNT. I personally despise noise and technology at the crag and prefer being alone in nature. I live on the Front Range so I’m lucky in that there are enough abandoned crags here to climb every day for the rest of my life and never see another person. Others aren’t so lucky. Those who live in areas that only have one good crag, etc are in a different situation. I would be livid if I didn’t have any secluded crags to go to. As it stands, I’m just happy to avoid Boulder Canyon and the like. |
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Questions: Do speakers and music exist naturally in the environment you're climbing in? Is there some sort of endemic drone that's existed at the crag prior to it becoming a climbing area? |