Does racism exist in climbing?
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Does racism exist in climbing? I’m not talking about historical route names or the percentages of climbers that are minorities, or the climbing culture/Social media is mostly about white dudes and girls ( which it is ) , or how some minorities have less access to climbing due to income levels, locations, cultural heritages ..etc. My question is , do some climbers exhibit unfriendly behaviors or bad attitudes towards you either in person or online because you’re a minority or let’s say, a “not preferred race” , or if some climbers would avoid or not respond to you as a climbing partner due to your (different) color or their (in your mind ) personal prejudice. From my personal experience , the majority of the climbers are friendly towards me ( Asian), but there’re also occasionally a few that would behave unfriendly, even hostile towards me , either at a gym, in person, or (pretty often) online . And I can’t think of any good reasons other than I’m of different color/race , after all things considered. No matter what color you’re, I’d like to hear your personal stories, experience or thoughts on this topic. I hope I’m not being too controversial with this topic because that’s definitely not my intention here , it’s just after being attacked by quite a few trolls and online bullies, with my image post on the public forum ( has since be deleted by admin), attacking my every offhanded comment posted , accusing me of things I didn’t even do YEARS AGO (which I can only attribute to they just don’t like me due to my Asian name/race/color of skin/heritage....). Of courses lot of times people just like to attack you for fun, that’s just what bullies and trolls do after all , like shit eating flies, nothing at all to do with the R word , or my name, my color, me being a pushover. But I’m still really , genuinely curious about what other people’s, especially if you as a minority’s experience are . Does racism exists in climbing interaction at all, online or in person, or it’s almost nonexistent , or I’m just the “lucky few” ? English is my second language so bare with my sometimes not very grammatical correct writing. PS: not sure how many minority climbers will be reading this post, I suspect not many??? So the response I get may be very skewed/ biased, but I’m still curious. |
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Rico Tan wrote: Does racism exist in climbing? I’m not talking about historical route names or the percentages of climbers that are minorities, or the climbing culture/Social media is mostly about white dudes and girls ( which it is ) , or how some minorities have less access to climbing due to income levels, locations, cultural heritages ..etc. My question is , do some climbers exhibit unfriendly behaviors or bad attitudes towards you either in person or online because you’re a minority or let’s say, a “not preferred race” , or if some climbers would avoid or not respond to you as a climbing partner due to your (different) color or their (in your mind ) personal prejudice. From my personal experience , the majority of the climbers are friendly towards me ( Asian), but there’re also occasionally a few that would behave unfriendly, even hostile towards me , either at a gym, in person, or (pretty often) online . And I can’t think of any good reasons other than I’m of different color/race , after all things considered. No matter what color you’re, I’d like to hear your personal stories, experience or thoughts on this topic. I hope I’m not being too controversial with this topic because that’s definitely not my intention here , it’s just after being attacked by quite a few trolls and online bullies, with my image post on the public forum ( has since be deleted by admin), attacking my every offhanded comment posted , accusing me of things I didn’t even do YEARS AGO (which I can only attribute to they just don’t like me due to my Asian name/race/color of skin/heritage....). Of courses lot of times people just like to attack you for fun, that’s just what bullies and trolls do after all , like shit eating flies, nothing at all to do with the R word , or my name, my color, me being a pushover. But I’m still really , genuinely curious about what other people’s, especially if you as a minority’s experience are . Does racism exists in climbing interaction at all, online or in person, or it’s almost nonexistent , or I’m just the “lucky few” ? English is my second language so bare with my sometimes not very grammatical correct writing. PS: not sure how many minority climbers will be reading this post, I suspect not many??? So the response I get may be very skewed/ biased, but I’m still curious.Funny I always thought climbing and climbers were way more tolerant than the general public. |
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s.price wrote: I agree with Stagg. But climbers are just people so yes it exists. End of thread...... |
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Historically, yeah there's been some nationalism-borderline-racism going on in climbing. Consider the ascent of the Eiger Nordwand and how it was used as Nazi propogranda to illustrate, "the master race". This is obviously not specific to climbing (just sports in general - look at the German Olympics around that time). |
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Stagg54 Taggart wrote: Funny I always thought climbing and climbers were way more tolerant than the general public. I agree. Like I said, in my experience “most climbers ” are friendly, open minded and have no problem with people from different culture background/race , but I believe there are exceptions. I’m just curious if it’s more prevalent than I thought and if other people/minority have a totally different experience. |
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Putting the sweat pants on and grabbing the popcorn. |
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Rico Tan, consider paragraphs (makes things easier to read). |
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Some food for thought - climbing isn't a very racially diverse hobby, but that isn't quite "racism". I'm of the opinion that more diversity would probably make for a better party out there: |
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Ron O wrote: Rico Tan, consider paragraphs (makes things easier to read). Done . Thanks for the advice and the input. |
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Does racism exist in climbing? No. Tricams are indifferent. There are no white bros only crags that I know of, nor no policies at REI that you can't use their bathroom. That's racism. |
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Long Ranger wrote: Some food for thought - climbing isn't a very racially diverse hobby, but that isn't quite "racism". I'm of the opinion that more diversity would probably make for a better party out there: Great read . Thanks |
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I would love to think it doesn't happen but I'm sure it does. |
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Did someone leave the door to the insane asylum open?!? What's with the ranty posts as of late?!!? |
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Ron O wrote: Rico Tan, consider paragraphs (makes things easier to read). Ron... did this just happen? |
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Rob the tricam wrote: Shit like this happens all the time. We got a nice little period where the hate died down a little bit after people found out about the Holocaust (although, that's kind of a hefty price to pay for a break from the hate). Now the memory is starting to fade as most of the last survivors are dying out and antisemitism is rearing its ugly head like it has for pretty much as long as we've existed. And to answer the OP, in my experience climbers tend to be more inclusive and progress than average, but there certainly isn't as much diversity as there ought to be. There's definitely some cultural barriers to it, especially for black people, who think that they shouldn't climb because they're black. I'm not sure what causes, this though, and I'd be curious to understand why these cultural barriers exist. |
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Rico Tan wrote: occasionally a few that would behave unfriendly, even hostile towards me , either at a gym, in person, or (pretty often) online . And I can’t think of any good reasons other than... Everything else notwithstanding, some people don't need a reason to be unfriendly - they just are. Read this forum more and you'll see how unfriendly people with of-similar-race-sounding names can be to each other, over disagreements that don't seem like good reasons to be unfriendly. |
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Jaren Watson wrote: I don’t know if racism exists in climbing or not, but I for one wouldn’t climb with an Asian. Asians tend to be lean and fit, which puts me at an unfair disadvantage. This is racist |
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Racism exists in climbing, but only for white people. |
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Kill me, then yourself. |
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Anonymous wrote: Um, Charlottesville, Pittsburgh... “Anti-Semitic hate crimes are on the rise, up 57 percent in 2017 from 2016, the largest single-year jump on record, according to the Anti-Defamation League.” source |