I'm interested in this topic also. Suicide is great but sometimes it's nice to not fear for life or limb while climbing between bolts. If you had to choose between a weekend at New Jack or Apple Valley what would it be? Best camping? Fewer crowds? Better rock? Sun/Shade?
Both are good for moderates. New jack has more oppertunities to chase sun/shade. Camping is good at both areas. More people at new jack, but rarely crowded. Applevalley u might see another party or two.
Guy Keesee wrote: New Jack! The ORG is always good, 365 days per year- unless the snow is flying in Bishop. Lots of what you’re looking for at Pine Creek also.
AND for those of you who don’t know- Master Gumby is not DMT. Far from it!!
And I know for a fact that Jeff has been climbing 2x longer than MG has been alive. We know his Mom.
Welcome to California! Enjoy your trip.
what is your definition of DMT then?
you don't know anything about the master gumby then apparently....
Jeffrey Constine wrote: “You don’t a thing about the master Gumby”
What language is that? It sure as hell isn't English. Maybe you should learn how to spell first. I am especially disappointed and you should be ashamed if that is your grammar especially if you "have been climbing twice as long as I have been alive" .... Your ass is that old and still can't speak English.... Just sad
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