Clean send? Dirty send?

So imagine you're halfway up a route and you encounter a small ledge, you mantle and proceed into the moves above, but slip just above the ledge and slide down onto the ledge... you slide/fall far enough that your hands pop off before your feet hit the ledge and regain your balance... Either way, you're on lead (last bolt is below the ledge) and you don't weight the rope. You continue to the top without further event, did you send? Or didn't you? Why?

Totally botched it. Get lowered and try it again pal.

Typical Peter J chuffer move. Unless you put that ledge in on lead, it's aid.

Spending too much time climbing at Lover's Leap are ya?

if you do not weight the rope or grab gear its all good. 

Eric Stern wrote: https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/111836594/did-i-on-sight?page=1 Past discussion

Lol that's a long list of users that I'd be pissed at if we were arguing sending ethics at the campfire. 

If there's a voice in your head that doubts your cleanliness, you probably need to go wash up.

Nick Goldsmith wrote: if you do not weight the rope or grab gear its all good. 

could it still be considered an onsight? what if you fell before the first piece of protection and the ledge you slid down to was the belay ledge?

kevin deweese wrote: Spending too much time climbing at Lover's Leap are ya?

Haha first time at the Leap, I put my partner (now my wife) on lead on Knapsack Crack. She whipped with no gear and slowly slid back down to the ledge. Then proceeded to onsight.

What if you fall while free soloing, but finish the climb afterwards? Is it an onsight or a redpoint? Did James Lucas redpoint that climb, or did he actually onsight it? Do you have to finish the climb within a certain period of time in order to maintain the onsight after a slip on lead that doesn't result in weighting any form of protection?

In Comps: "A competitor shall be deemed to be unsuccessful in completing an attempt on a route if s/he: a) Falls or weights the rope; b) Makes use of areas, holds or features demarcated as out of bounds – refer to rule 5.7.8; c) Uses the side edges or the tope edges of the wall for climbing; d) Touches the ground with any part of the body after having started; e) Uses any artificial aid. "
If competition rules say you were fine, your fine. If the ledge was off route, you in turn were off route. 

I could care less about competitions. real climbing outdoors, any natural feature  is in bounds and a fall only counts if you weight the rope , grab gear or deck.  slideing back to a stance without peeling off is called a good save. 

God, is this what we're debating now???

dude, all your prize money just got rescinded. In fact the send police are filing a report, and are going to revoke your lead belay card

I don't care at all about labels. Labels are for communicating, but they're sort of arbitrary, and I don't base my goals on them.

Personally, I my goals are about doing things in a skilled, controlled fashion. I personally wouldn't count the above as a clean onsight for myself, because I lost control of the situation. But if you want to call it a clean onsight, I won't respect you less for it.

Likewise if I started losing my grip, and hopped in a controlled fashion back to the ledge without weighting the rope, I'd count that for myself.

Depends on how much fun you're having

I would consult with a climbing lawyer, this is going to require judicial proceedings. Maybe Judge Judy will take this on.

some of my best sends my feet looked like the road runner peeling out with smoke coming off the rubber but somehow I made it up the thing ….

Kevin MP wrote:

Haha first time at the Leap, I put my partner (now my wife) on lead on Knapsack Crack. She whipped with no gear and slowly slid back down to the ledge. Then proceeded to onsight.

Lol. I put a friend on Knapsack and she asked me when the climbing started because she thought the first pitch was just a vertical "ground school" for me to evaluate her placements. 

A couple of summers ago a friend and I were doing a new route. I was part way up the pitch when things went awry with me and several blocks coming down. On the way down I managed to latch on to a hold while the blocks went on down. I never weighted the rope and finished the pitch. I considered it a clean ascent cause I did not shit me britches.