is mountain project growing? what about climbing??
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I've spent a little while lurking and I see alot of jokes and some trollspeak. |
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growing but not growing up ;) |
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climbing friend, |
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jason oliphant wrote: I've spent a little while lurking and I see alot of jokes and some trollspeak. theres a recent long thread https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/114304733/indian-creek-psa Covers much of the issues, parking (a bit), human turds and environmental degradation. Doesnt go into lines at the base of crags, dogs, damage to the rock from many climbers, but these topics are pretty important as well. |
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Aleks Zebastian wrote: climbing friend, Are the babies well behaved though? And will I get lock jaw if they bite me? As for OP, I would say that trad is getting more popular, but as Aleks says, dangerous noob everywhere. I pass people on routes probably 2-3 times a month using an anchor that they are not weighting and probably would collapse if you placed their future funeral bouquet on it. |
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so Beyond environmental damage; (ty rafael) |
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This conversation looks to be another conversation about trolling, but as an aside: |
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jason oliphant wrote: so Beyond environmental damage; (ty rafael) Good point. I haven't found any mentors via MP, but if you go hang out in trad areas and ask to tag along with people, that works sometimes. Just don't be a dick and take the learning opportunity seriously if someone takes you with. I had a guy I met in the parking lot answer his cell phone halfway up the last pitch one time, which made me not want to pick up rando beginners as much. And there are excellent books out there if you want to learn on your own. "Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Don't teach a man to fish and feed yourself. He's a grown man and fishing's not that hard." applies as well https://www.amazon.com/Climbing-Anchors-Climb-John-Long/dp/0762782072 https://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Guide-Manual-Comprehensive-Reference/dp/1493025147/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=6F1498WRPGPSA750PZ0Y https://www.amazon.com/Trad-Climbers-Bible-How-Climb/dp/0762783729/ref=pd_sim_14_16?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0762783729&pd_rd_r=R97AV4D6Q4ED3ZCE53YT&pd_rd_w=afHg3&pd_rd_wg=KftTS&psc=1&refRID=R97AV4D6Q4ED3ZCE53YT |
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jason oliphant wrote All the questions and issues about actual climbing have already been answered and discussed if people have the time and patience to search the old threads. All that's left is to troll, discuss current events, and occasionally discuss new gear as it's released. |
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David Kerkeslager wrote: This conversation looks to be another conversation about trolling, but as an aside: yeah, sorry I really don't want it to be about trolling. so much. I'm really satisfied with the answers. ty for myself, I still hope to make local connections. seems to me in regards to climbing- seeing it done first hand is far better than trying to go from a book, youtube vid,etc, etc.it would also Be nice to see climbing become a local thing! but I understand the draw of bigger & better rock |
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David Kerkeslager wrote: This conversation looks to be another conversation about trolling, but as an aside: Does REI (a co-op) actually have a legal mandate to increase profits? |
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Everett wrote: Depends on how they crafted their co-op rules, and don't confuse a co-op with a non-profit organization. Edit to add: I'd guess the answer or pointer to the answer lies somewhere in one of the links on this page: https://www.rei.com/about-rei...but I don't have the time to find it right now. |
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jason oliphant wrote: I've spent a little while lurking and I see alot of jokes and some trollspeak. I think the stat has been posted that the vast majority of people who visit the site don’t ever go to the forums (someone correct me if I’m wrong) so I wouldn’t use what you see on the forums as a metric of how much the site is growing or not. In terms of the data base I think in it has grown and will grow pretty steadily. I only really update Nevada /California / Utah as far as my areas go for the MP app and there always seems to be a decent size chunk of new stuff.It would be interesting to see some kinda stat if new submissions fell off once REI aquired the site. I seem to remember a lot of people saying not only would they no longer submit anything but they were going to go about pulling photo and beta they had already submitted .. which when you factor in any given area probably only has a handful of people really working at submitting / refining info could have been a major hit. |
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jason oliphant wrote: for myself, I still hope to make local connections. seems to me in regards to climbing- seeing it done first hand is far better than trying to go from a book, youtube vid,etc, etc. Not true. There are very, very few mistakes in printed how-to books on climbing (at least the ones still in print). Teaming up with random people at the crag (or on MP), you will absolutely encounter really dangerous ideas/procedures/mistakes. On the other hand, some people learn better (or more easily) by seeing/doing than reading. The main trouble is how to verify that the guy showing things really knows what he's talking about. And I've met people bragging about their AMGA certification still making nonsense suggestions. |
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jason oliphant wrote: so Beyond environmental damage; (ty rafael) Trad isnt rocket science. Myself and many, many others I know started trad climbing after reading freedom of the hills and watching youtube videos. Were lucky to have so many resources at our disposal. How do you think the generations learned before the internet? Just go out and figure it out. You cant wait around for someone to mentor you because it may never happen |
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Ty Gilroy wrote: Hmm books and other people before the internet... at least that is how I learned and the internet was around before I even started to learn. Well I guess I technically started on my own. I taught myself how to climb out of the crib and my parents said my older brother never climbed out until I was born... so I guess I was teaching people to climb before I even could even talk or walk. |
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Ty Gilroy wrote:Actually the vast majority of climbers in pre-net days learned from mentors/instructors who were safe. A huge number of us got our start in college outdoor clubs and not from just "going out and figuring it out". |
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ViperScale . wrote: Wow! Pre walk sends, can you teach me to climb please? |
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Marc801 C wrote: Actually the vast majority of climbers in pre-net days learned from mentors/instructors who were safe. A huge number of us got our start in college outdoor clubs and not from just "going out and figuring it out". I may have discovered where "climbing" got messed up...... As soon as I get a time machine I'll go back and prevent this from happening........insert evil laugh..... ;) |
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Rob T wrote: And the inventor of the crash pad, and that lady from the other thread that invented the climbing wall..... Continue evil laugh...... ;) |