Watch Out - Ebay scam / counterfeit

Ebay has some sketchy stuff hitting the market. These biners are obviously not DMM. Looks like some pretty sketchy manufacturing from china. Picture 3 in the listing shows a pretty unnerving defect (non fill or void). 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Two-DMM-Revolver-Screwgate-Locking-Carabiners-Blue-Pink/162899521771?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3D6dde4be89a614c81bf7a0ec384c34596%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D162899521771%26itm%3D162899521771&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507

Metal is wrong color and imprint on the side of the biner is different than DMM at least for ones I have seen.

Several years Petzl warned about some counterfeit gear coming out of China that was pretty convincing.  

ebay items can be reported as counterfeit, click on the "Report item" link to the right of the "Description" and "Shipping and payments"

Reported as counterfeit  - already 2 bidders. Yikes

But guys, they’re so cheap. 

Seller seems legitimate though, has some other climbing gear for sale. 

Don Ferris wrote:

But guys, they’re so cheap. 

Right - static top rope anchor, use both at focal point redundancy and you're good to go...

Tony G wrote:

A***V said it best in the comments: 

standard all like!

Maybe the seller used to be legit. Now he's flipping knock off dangerous crap biners. 

lol DMM needs to cut their contract with their manufacturer ASAP

I wrote seller and reported to eBay. Seller must know it's fake, authentic biner says DMM this one does not. 

But...but...nowhere is it claimed that it is a DMM carabiner.  It isn't a counterfeit, its a copy.  Maybe a DMM patent is violated?  Dunno about that.  It does have a CE marking on it; if that's fraudulent there would be a problem with that.

I wouldn't buy it, but it can't be called a counterfeit.

rgold wrote:

But...but...nowhere is it claimed that it is a DMM carabiner. 

The original E-bay ad, posted by the OP, advertises it as a DMM. Not sure what you're referring to. 

rgold wrote:

But...but...nowhere is it claimed that it is a DMM carabiner.  It isn't a counterfeit, its a copy.  Maybe a DMM patent is violated?  Dunno about that.  It does have a CE marking on it; if that's fraudulent there would be a problem with that.

I wouldn't buy it, but it can't be called a counterfeit.

Manufacturer does not claim its DMM, original eBay listing did say that it was DMM. He has apparently edited the listing. There are other sellers listing the same biner on eBay and the Chinese company manufacturing them is also making ascenders, harnesses, etc. 

Yeah, I looked at the link posted by Tony G, not the OP's link, which does indeed claim the biners are DMM.

rgold wrote:

Yeah, I looked at the link posted by Tony G, not the OP's link, which does indeed claim the biners are DMM.

You really don't see DMM listed on the ebay page? It is listed in the url and it says the following on the page.

Brand:  DMM

Two DMM Revolver Screwgate Locking Carabiners

Hello?  I said I looked at the wrong link and then saw the fake DMM claim in the original link.

What is the obvious defect in picture 3?  I don't see it.

rockhard wrote:

What is the obvious defect in picture 3?  I don't see it.

Bottom of the bend, inside right edges of the cut outs. Its a pretty big defect, not a chance any sort of legit qc would have let that pass. Someone should buy these just for a pull test. I bet they fail way below 25 kN.