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dragons
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Apr 20, 2017
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New Paltz, NY
· Joined Aug 2011
· Points: 847
Suppose a person discovered a small cliff while hiking around in the woods, and happened to notice two new-ish looking bolted routes on the cliff. Suppose the person went back home, searched Mountain Project, and did not find these routes in the database. Is there any way the person could get more info about the routes? Hypothetically speaking, of course.
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Alan Rubin
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Apr 20, 2017
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Apr 2015
· Points: 10
Hypothetically it would help if that 'person' posted a general area where said cliff is--you know, hypothetically. My guess is that there are lots of small cliffs with unrecorded routes in lots of woods so it might be helpful to a person seeking information if others were told where that section of woods may be--at least hypothetically.
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chris magness
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Apr 20, 2017
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Oct 2010
· Points: 590
Yes. Ask around locally. MP isn't the place. Send me a PM.
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dragons
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Apr 20, 2017
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New Paltz, NY
· Joined Aug 2011
· Points: 847
Alan - I left the area super vague, because I really don't want to get anyone in trouble or cause access issues. Plus it's just a hypothetical right? :) Chris - PM sent.
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Suburban Roadside
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Apr 20, 2017
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Abovetraffic on Hudson
· Joined Apr 2014
· Points: 2,419
Alan Rubin wrote:Hypothetically it would help if that 'person' posted a general area where said cliff is--you know, hypothetically. My guess is that there are lots of small cliffs with unrecorded routes in lots of woods so it might be helpful to a person seeking information if others were told where that section of woods may be--at least hypothetically. Ya' Think?! I've told you as much as you have told me.( Bear Mnt Road?! ) I'd like to think that given how the Western Mass. climbers have prevailed, you would say a bit more as to the myriad of reasons why NOT Adding a climbing zone To a vast public data base is often the best course of action. I think that the point system and the need to 'recognized' whatever that means does a dis-service & can be the reason a cliff gets posted; -( "NO CLIMBING"
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june m
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Apr 20, 2017
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elmore, vt
· Joined Jun 2011
· Points: 110
Not everything needs or should be posted on line. If it looks good to you give it a go
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HBTHREE
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Apr 20, 2017
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ma
· Joined Nov 2009
· Points: 30
when in doubt, chop it out
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scott fuzz
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Apr 20, 2017
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Feb 2014
· Points: 125
You know ol' Ken Nick' adds all these N.E. posts to his hit list data base-
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Kevin Heckeler
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Apr 21, 2017
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Las Vegas, NV
· Joined Jul 2010
· Points: 1,616
scott fuzz wrote:You know ol' Ken Nick' adds all these N.E. posts to his hit list data base- Is that really a reason to not post beta? Fear? Fuck KN. Let him keep playing his games if that's how he wants to spend his last years on the planet and his 'legacy' to the climbing community (being a PITA). He'll be dead sooner than later (simple math/odds), and although he has a few cronies they'll never hold a torch to the idiocy of their master. His archaic methods and mentality will go the way of the dodo.
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Climb On
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Apr 21, 2017
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Everywhere
· Joined Jan 2016
· Points: 0
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scott fuzz
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Apr 21, 2017
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Feb 2014
· Points: 125
Kevin Heckeler wrote:Is that really a reason to not post beta? Fear? Fuck KN. Let him keep playing his games if that's how he wants to spend his last years on the planet and his 'legacy' to the climbing community (being a PITA). He'll be dead sooner than later (simple math/odds), and although he has a few cronies they'll never hold a torch to the idiocy of their master. His archaic methods and mentality will go the way of the dodo.
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scott fuzz
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Apr 21, 2017
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Feb 2014
· Points: 125
Ha kev. Although I was only kiddin' bout KN, I'm A+ agreement on yer thoughts on that kook-
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dragons
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Apr 21, 2017
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New Paltz, NY
· Joined Aug 2011
· Points: 847
Wow, someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. This has nothing to do with bolt-chopping.
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Gunkiemike
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Apr 21, 2017
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Jul 2009
· Points: 3,492
dragons wrote:Wow, someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. This has nothing to do with bolt-chopping. Until someone chops these routes.
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Tylerpratt
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Apr 21, 2017
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Litchfield, Connecticut
· Joined Feb 2016
· Points: 40
Kevin Heckeler wrote:Is that really a reason to not post beta? Fear? Fuck KN. Let him keep playing his games if that's how he wants to spend his last years on the planet and his 'legacy' to the climbing community (being a PITA). He'll be dead sooner than later (simple math/odds), and although he has a few cronies they'll never hold a torch to the idiocy of their master. His archaic methods and mentality will go the way of the dodo. Hallelujah
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Zach Swanson
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Apr 21, 2017
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Newton, MA
· Joined Jun 2012
· Points: 36
dragons wrote:This has nothing to do with bolt-chopping. Naw, all discussions about routes in MA are inevitably about bolt chopping.
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dragons
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Apr 21, 2017
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New Paltz, NY
· Joined Aug 2011
· Points: 847
This is not a discussion about a route in MA.
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Aunt Patty
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Apr 21, 2017
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Fryeburg, ME
· Joined Feb 2014
· Points: 126
do this mystery routes happen to be around the MWV?
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Kevin Heckeler
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Apr 21, 2017
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Las Vegas, NV
· Joined Jul 2010
· Points: 1,616
dragons wrote:Wow, someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. This has nothing to do with bolt-chopping. Sorry, bolt chopping just strikes me as a pretty low blow (in 99% of cases). It's extremism. I don't know KN fwiw, just the 'legends'. He's no better than a climbing terrorist.
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dragons
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Apr 21, 2017
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New Paltz, NY
· Joined Aug 2011
· Points: 847
Kevin - I don't understand why you and others are using my post to beat a dead horse and make ugly remarks. Well before your first post on this thread, I made it clear that this situation is about access issues. "Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk." Dhane Knakkergaard - "do this mystery routes happen to be around the MWV?" - a reasonable person might think so, given the location posted directly next to my handle!
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Craig Childre
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Apr 21, 2017
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Lubbock, TX
· Joined Aug 2006
· Points: 4,860
I spent several years climbing down in Last Chance Canyon... which at the time was a word of mouth crag, where the locals we're quite protective of the spot and didn't want it published online. I got flamed for posting some stuff on the old rockclimbing.com and took it down in shame. Could be a unique situation here, but I think you are well served by checking around before first, before you whip out the megaphone :)
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