I had a great time at the 2017 Red Rock Rendezvous
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It seems like MP has just turned into a place for people to complain about things so I wanted to share my thoughts on the 2017 RRR. |
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Doug Foust wrote:I think this is a benefit to Red Rock that we were able to teach a thousand or so climbers by both talk and example of how the rock should be treated when it rains.I've wondered how many people attend the Rendezvous, but I would have never guessed A THOUSAND! That is insane. What an enormous impact! That is way more than what this land should have to bear. But I'm glad you had a great time, Doug. |
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JSH, |
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John Hegyes wrote: I've wondered how many people attend the Rendezvous, but I would have never guessed A THOUSAND! That is insane. What an enormous impact! That is way more than what this land should have to bear. But I'm glad you had a great time, Doug.John, Just curious, how many climbers do you think are in Red Rock during the weekend this time of year? I would guess 400+ on some days. Your thoughts? Doug |
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I too, think it was a bad example that was set by the RRR re: climbing after Sat's rain. Pretty much taught them "your paid vacation" is more important then the 24hr(min) wait time that SNCC/BLM try's to promote.(which ironically Doug you were/are the president of....and I a member) |
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For reference, data from the DRI weather station at the Red Rock Canyon NCA Visitor's Center |
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BigB wrote:I too, think it was a bad example that was set by the RRR re: climbing after Sat's rain. Pretty much taught them "your paid vacation" is more important then the 24hr(min) wait time that SNCC/BLM try's to promote.(which ironically Doug you were/are the president of....and I a member) From SNCC website regarding rain... 3. Wait at least 24 hours after rain before climbing. This usually applies to thunderstorms that drop quick heavy rain on rock that is already hot and dry as in summer. Much of the rainwater usually runs off and soaks into rock at the cliff base or on ledges and shelves. Most cliffs dry in 36 hours with plenty of sunlight. In winter you may need to wait three or four days for the rock to completely dry. didn't even follow your own roolz.....Big B, Actually, I've never been president of the SNCC and am not currently on the Board of Directors. I served 2009, 2013-2016. I've never been a fan of "rules" but guidelines regarding rain and climbing. The one that I think is the best guide is "if the ground is wet, the rock is wet" The ground was wet when we hiked in especially in shady areas. By the time we started climbing, the ground was dry. Cheers, Doug |
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I have no vested interest in the RRR in any way- just a person who lives here for now and wants to climb as much as possible. |
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I started climbing 3 years ago and went to RRR in 2015, it was pretty fun, got to lead my first trad climb in an intro clinic. Also a guy broke his toe (on top rope) in the "Fall Safe" clinic I did that year too. Was pretty pumped to go next year. |
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I flew in 6 hours to climb the last week. Sunday morning (Our second last day) we got up at 430, parked outside the loop at 540 and hiked an hour in to Crimson Chrysalis. By then the sun was rising. We found standing water on a boulder, and the ground was most definitely wet. You could also see patterns in the sand from what was more than just a sprinkle. |
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enkoopa wrote:I flew in 6 hours to climb the last week. Sunday morning (Our second last day) we got up at 430, parked outside the loop at 540 and hiked an hour in to Crimson Chrysalis. By then the sun was rising. We found standing water on a boulder, and the ground was most definitely wet. You could also see patterns in the sand from what was more than just a sprinkle. We debated ethics for 10 minutes, maybe we could let it dry for 2 hours... and in the end, figured we didn't want to be "those guys" who broke off a hold on a classic. Turned around and hiked back to our car. Went back to our airbnb, grabbed a coffee, and cragged at Gun Club for a few hours. This was after getting shut down Saturday because of rain, and also only cragging Wednesday because of forecasts (never ended up raining, but couldn't commit to 6 pitches). It was by far the hardest decision I've ever made climbing.Thanks for sharing this.I think it speaks volumes! |
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You can see from this thread that there are differing opinions on how long to wait after rain. There are several variables (wind, sun exposure to the climb, how much it rained) involved. No hard and fast rules, as far as I'm concerned. |
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Weston, could you post a link to that information? I searched the WRCC for it without success. Thanks. |
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Paul Morrison wrote:Weston, could you post a link to that information? I searched the WRCC for it without success. Thanks.http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/getobext.php?wfo=vef&sid=RRKN2&num=168&raw=0&dbn=m I heard the organizers checked in with Mr. Woods and he said the rock was "good to go". |
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Well played^ |
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enkoopa wrote:I flew in 6 hours to climb the last week. Sunday morning (Our second last day) we got up at 430, parked outside the loop at 540 and hiked an hour in to Crimson Chrysalis. By then the sun was rising. We found standing water on a boulder, and the ground was most definitely wet. You could also see patterns in the sand from what was more than just a sprinkle. We debated ethics for 10 minutes, maybe we could let it dry for 2 hours... and in the end, figured we didn't want to be "those guys" who broke off a hold on a classic. Turned around and hiked back to our car. Went back to our airbnb, grabbed a coffee, and cragged at Gun Club for a few hours. This was after getting shut down Saturday because of rain, and also only cragging Wednesday because of forecasts (never ended up raining, but couldn't commit to 6 pitches). It was by far the hardest decision I've ever made climbing.Good for you, sir! I lived in Vegas for several years, I can't count how many times rain ruined my climbing plans. That's life though. It's an even harder decision when you've made a trip on purpose. Hiking some of the summits in RR is an excellent thing to do when it's wet. It'll help when you're doing a walk off in the dark too. If you want to climb rain or no rain one should head to a destination that isn't sandstone. |
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enkoopa wrote:I flew in 6 hours to climb the last week. Sunday morning (Our second last day) we got up at 430, parked outside the loop at 540 and hiked an hour in to Crimson Chrysalis. By then the sun was rising. We found standing water on a boulder, and the ground was most definitely wet. You could also see patterns in the sand from what was more than just a sprinkle. We debated ethics for 10 minutes, maybe we could let it dry for 2 hours... and in the end, figured we didn't want to be "those guys" who broke off a hold on a classic. Turned around and hiked back to our car. Went back to our airbnb, grabbed a coffee, and cragged at Gun Club for a few hours. This was after getting shut down Saturday because of rain, and also only cragging Wednesday because of forecasts (never ended up raining, but couldn't commit to 6 pitches). It was by far the hardest decision I've ever made climbing.Me and my climbing partner drove 4 hours from LA to climb. Ended up going to the southern outcrops, and climbed one pitch due to rain. Then we stopped climbing. No questions asked. We then decided to go and hike around calico and drove to the park entrance only to find it closed due to "the large crowds" according to the ranger. We left. Drove back to LA (6 hour drive) the next morning. Rain happens. We knew RRR was going on, but we have jobs and schedules and we know there are many risks in climbing, including being shut down by rain. Going back in two weeks, lets see what noaa has to say! [EDIT] I still had a blast. |
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This is definitely not an event for the locals. It's easy enough to tell just by listening to local climbers, including myself, talking about where to go for the weekend. Typically, it's anywhere but here. Unfortunately this event happens during our peak season, between the winter and the heat. This year it was washed out I guess. But in fine fashion, people are coming up with "reasons" that it's okay to climb after the rain. The ground was wet but 2 hours later it was fine. Really? Pretty amazing how easy it is to justify. |
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frank minunni wrote:This is definitely not an event for the locals. It's easy enough to tell just by listening to local climbers, including myself, talking about where to go for the weekend. Typically, it's anywhere but here. Unfortunately this event happens during our peak season, between the winter and the heat. This year it was washed out I guess. But in fine fashion, people are coming up with "reasons" that it's okay to climb after the rain. The ground was wet but 2 hours later it was fine. Really? Pretty amazing how easy it is to justify. By the way, I have a new health care bill that will be just great.Frank, One of the overlooked secrets of the RRR is that usually on Saturday and Sunday of the event, the canyons are pretty empty(except for first creek) One year I climbed Bourbon Street on the Saturday of the RRR and we were the only ones on Whiskey peak. Regarding the conditions on Sunday, those are my honest observations and opinion, not just a lame justification. I can respect that people disagree, but I still think the "if the ground is dry, the rock is dry" guideline was applicable on this day. Cheers, Doug |
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Doug Foust wrote: Frank, One of the overlooked secrets of the RRR is that usually on Saturday and Sunday of the event, the canyons are pretty empty(except for first creek) One year I climbed Bourbon Street on the Saturday of the RRR and we were the only ones on Whiskey peak. Regarding the conditions on Sunday, those are my honest observations and opinion, not just a lame justification. I can respect that people disagree, but I still think the "if the ground is dry, the rock is dry" guideline was applicable on this day. Cheers, DougAccording to others on this thread the canyons were wet on Sunday and the loop road was CLOSED for a bit. And even IF the canyons had been dry it's crap shoot as to whether they will be empty or packed during the RRR...a long hike for a crapshoot in Vegas- perhaps there are better odds on the Strip? As for the "rain rule"....that clearly has been thrown out the window by most locals via my firsthand observations. |
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jersey girl wrote: According to others on this thread the canyons were wet on Sunday and the loop road was CLOSED for a bit. And even IF the canyons had been dry it's crap shoot as to whether they will be empty or packed during the RRR...a long hike for a crapshoot in Vegas- perhaps there are better odds on the Strip? As for the "rain rule"....that clearly has been thrown out the window by most locals via my firsthand observations.I wasn't talking about just this Sunday but the weekend of the RRR in general. All the trade routes are typically very crowded this time of year, but I've found that they are a lot less likely to be so during the weekend of the RRR because everyone assumes it will be crowded and except for first creek the RRR doesn't go into the canyons. |