Obama declares Bears Ears National Monument in southern Utah
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Thanks, Obama! |
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Yay!!!!! |
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Yes!!!!! Heck, yeah, Obama! |
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We love you Obama! |
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I read that they will be working with the Indian tribes in the area to layout the regulations of this area. |
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Super Fluke wrote:I read that they will be working with the Indian tribes in the area to layout the regulations of this area. What kind of regulations are expected and will there be any that will restrict climbing or bolting in this area? Will existing mining contracts be grandfathered for future exploration? A response from someone with knowledge of the Bears Ear land battle would be greatly appreciated.+1 |
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This is a mixed bag of good and not so bad..as usual. |
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So I have spent the last hour trying to understand why people are so opposed to this. People keep saying that it is going to ruin the way of life of the locals and will pour in tourists (which is a bad thing???) to the area. Am I missing something or is this just a greed issue where a few people can get rich off the land and they want to block the public from enjoying it. |
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This R&I article sums up the situation: |
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Bradley Pazian wrote:So I have spent the last hour trying to understand why people are so opposed to this. People keep saying that it is going to ruin the way of life of the locals and will pour in tourists (which is a bad thing???) to the area. Am I missing something or is this just a greed issue where a few people can get rich off the land and they want to block the public from enjoying it.To try to understand this you must think of the citizens of Monticello, Bluff, and Blanding--not Moab. For years Moab has embraced tourism and the dollars that come with it. The other three have purposefully and staunchly avoided this direction. For some it was to preserve the importance of their religion in their community. For others it was simply the small town feel and community atmosphere. Anyone who has witnessed the changes in Moab over the last decade can surely appreciate these concerns. (Jeep Week I'm looking at you!) For many of us, these destinations are a great place to roll into and have a great time--a moment in time. We can then go back to our regular lives. For those locals that see round after round of folks rolling in, it can blend into a maddening cacophony of perpetual traffic and belligerence, with no chance for a "regular life". To further explain, the towns surrounding Bears Ears are old mining towns. Many of the locals, long for the glory days when their economies were booming and many of them held well paying mining jobs. They believe the new monument will prevent the possibility of those days ever returning. I believe their hope is misunderstood anyway. Modern mining companies do not hire locals to work as the techniques and equipment have become so highly specialized that mining companies have trained crews that move from site to site with very little benefit to the local job market. To sum it up you have a blend of some of the locals being concerned that their intentionally small town community atmosphere will become corrupted and others feeling that their economic opportunities have been taken from them. I can confirm that the overwhelming majority of these local citizens have been against this monument for years. Only time will tell if their fears are realized. |
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^ Well said. |
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FWIW the proclamation specifically notes rock climbing and canyoneering as two recreational activities. |
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txclimber wrote: stuffMaybe so. But in the long run this protects the land in a way that'll be far more durable and sustainable. These towns may change, but in the long run it'll be for the better, both of the areas in the monument themselves and ultimately the economic viability of the towns themselves. |
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Allen Sanderson wrote:FWIW the proclamation specifically notes rock climbing and canyoneering as two recreational activities.Yeah, but the approaches won't likely be as reasonable. |
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Bradley Pazian wrote:So I have spent the last hour trying to understand why people are so opposed to this. People keep saying that it is going to ruin the way of life of the locals and will pour in tourists (which is a bad thing???) to the area. Am I missing something or is this just a greed issue where a few people can get rich off the land and they want to block the public from enjoying it.And me, why people are so excited about this designation? The GGPA, DCPA, DC Wilderness, and the NBNM was already protecting many of the areas deemed "sensitive", mostly for archaeological resources. And then you had GCRA which is a contradictive, paradoxical mess, which apparently forbids climbing btw. . . but then it's up to the acting Superintendent (political poker anyone?). Aside from all those there is CNP. Oh, and let's not forget the Indian Reservation(s) controlling some of that land - Navajo and Ute I believe. For me, the last thing we need down there are paved roads and Visitor Centers and parking areas and doubling, quadrupling, whatevering the amount of traffic/people in this beautiful, "sensitive", undeveloped and rather pristine part of UT. On top of that, neither the local people nor the State wanted it. |
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CLandis wrote: And me, why people are so excited about this designation? The DCPA was already protecting many of the areas deemed "sensitive", mostly for archaeological resources. And then you had GCRA which is a contradictive, paradoxical mess, which apparently forbids climbing btw. . . but then it's up to the acting Superintendent (political poker anyone?). Aside from those two there is CNP. For me, the last thing we need down there are paved roads and Visitor Centers and parking areas and doubling, quadrupling, whatevering the amount of traffic/people in this beautiful, "sensitive", undeveloped and rather pristine part of UT. On top of that, neither the local people nor the State wanted it.Because you want to be able to enjoy it, but you don't want other people to? |
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Huh? |
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I'm excited that I'll be able to keep enjoying it for the foreseeable future. I don't trust either state or federal republicans when it comes to land preservation. |
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Says the guy from New York City. . . . Have you spent any time down there? |
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Says the guy from Colorado. |