Patagonia Nano-Air Light?
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So, it looks like Steve House and Patagonia have assembled their new climbing line, the "High Alpine Kit." |
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I've been using the Nano Air Light since it's prototype stage last year. I hands down prefer it over the original Nano Air. I found the original to be way to warm for me as a climbing layer and not warm enough as a belay layer. The lighter insulation of the Nano Air light has allowed me to be able to actually climb in it and not over heat nearly as much. I prefer the loose fitting nature of the Nano Air light over the R1 hoody, which I stopped using years ago. Before the Light version came out I was using a Nano Air vest layered on top of a Cap4 hoody as my go to colder weather setup. I still go back and forth between the vest and the Light version. The benefit of the vest is added range of motion in the arms which I like. I've found both options to be better than the R1. |
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The Nano Air Hoody is similar in warmth to an R1-R2 plus a wind shell. The Nano Air Light should be similar in warmth to a cap 4/thermal weight-R1 plus wind shell. |
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Mikey Schaefer wrote:Before the Light version came out I was using a Nano Air vest layered on top of a Cap4 hoody as my go to colder weather setup. I still go back and forth between the vest and the Light version. The benefit of the vest is added range of motion in the arms which I like.Mikey, do you have a windshirt like the houdini between the cap4 and nano air vest? Or did you find you didn't need wind protection for your arms when your core had some windblocking from the vest? |
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Brian Abram wrote:A cap lightweight t-shirt (2.7oz) plus a Nano Air Hoody (13.6oz) is 16.3oz and $340. A Cap thermal weight crew (5.2oz) plus a Nano Air Light (10.9oz), probably roughly equivalent in warmth, is 16.1oz and $340.Brian, I currently have a Cap Lightweight T-Shirt and lightweight long-sleeve, so that takes a portion out of your equation. I have a Patagonia gift card & their whole new "High Alpine Kit" intrigues me. I did a lot of reading on "active insulation" lately and decided I'd like to give the technology a try this season. With your current Nano-Air set-up, are you able to do a majority go your climbing in just the Nano-Air, or do you find yourself reaching for a shell, either a hard/softshell? Are you cragging or doing more multi-pitch with your current Nano-Air action suit? |
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The only time I personally use a soft shell is for ski touring. For multipitch climbing in NC it's either a wind shell if it's warm or the Nano Air Hoody. For the wet snow and ice we get here in NC, I still almost never bring a hard shell for single day stuff. It does get wet bushwhacking through snowy rhododendrons, but it dries pretty quickly. |
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Mikey Schaefer wrote:I've been using the Nano Air Light since it's prototype stage last year.Stupid question, but are you wearing the Nano-Air Light tucked in to your pants like an R1 Hoody, or are you wearing it directly under your harness, like a traditional jacket ... untucked? I'm just trying to wrap my head around whether this piece is made to be more of an outer layer or multi-purpose mid layer? Brian Abram wrote: For the wet snow and ice we get here in NC, I still almost never bring a hard shell for single day stuff.Thanks for the help, Brian. Much appreciated. |
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The new for Fall 2016 Montbell UL Thermawrap Parka and Jacket both are now made with 40g air permeable stretch continuous insulation and stretch fabric. Like the Nano Air Light, but with a full zip and pockets. The hooded Parka is 9.3 ounces, 1.6 ounces lighter than the Nano Air Light Hoody, and $165. The hoodless Jacket is 8.5 ounces and $139. The Montbell does have 15d/12d fabric rather than the Nano Air Light's 30d. |
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I run very hot. I tried the Atom LT and I don't like it for very active times, because my arms get sweaty. The Nano Air has been quite awesome for the not getting sweaty but still being warm. I was climbing a 3 pitch route and the temps started in the 40's and got into the low 60's and I felt like i never needed to take it off, even when climbing. I am intrigued by the NA Light, but I will wait until it goes on sale since i just got the regular NA. I also would think about the fact that all synthetic insulation loses its loft after the first few months. So 60 g/m2 jacket may turn into more like a 50 or 45 g/m2 insulation after 3 months of use. Just something to think about. |
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Also know that while you're not wrong about loft loss, the amount of degradation varies greatly depending on the specific type of synthetic insulation, and generalizations do not necessarily tell the whole story. Short staple insulations like Primaloft Gold/One, Coreloft, and Thermal Q are initially much warmer and compress better but can indeed lose loft and insulating value very rapidly. Arc'teryx says Coreloft can lose its loft in 4 months if compressed for 1-2 hours daily by seated driving, or I reckon by a pack. |