Why is "my" area being needlessly edited by an admin?
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I recently added this area to the site. For some reason, one of the admins keeps editing this area to add a left-to-right route listing to the main area page. |
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Have you written the two administrators to ask them about it? |
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Yes, and this post wasn't to call anyone out. This post was more of a general inquiry into whether or not there's anything else we, as contributors, can do. |
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Ryan Nevius wrote:Yes, and this post wasn't to call anyone out. This post was more of a general inquiry into whether or not there's anything else we, as contributors, can do.I wasn't suggesting you "called them out." Did you not get a satisfactory answer from the admins? They must have had a reason for the editing (I'd hope). Anyway, I was just curious. |
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I have seen this pointless route list on the main description in Mass areas too. Always wondered what's the point of it. It's redundant, takes space and continuously needs manual synchronization. Many times it's not up to date. |
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I'm not quite sure what they are getting at by doing the duplicate info. I know that was more common before L-R was established in the main route list, so maybe old habits? However, speaking to the issue of us admins editing areas.... I know for the areas I edit and manage, there is a certain flow and style that is used across most, if not all the areas, so I'll sometimes edit an area in order to keep the ease of use in comparison to the other local areas. Or it's an area I know really well, and I think it should be laid out in a certain way. But I do try to let the OP know my reasons. |
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J Marsella wrote:As to clutter on the page: it's a source of information not a design project.It's absolutely about UX. The whole point of creating a website like this is to present information in an easily-digestible format. "If you don't like it, hide it" is way outdated thinking in the web sphere. |
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I'm not an admin, but the more or less obvious explanation is that they want to maintain a consistent route description layout across the entire site and that left panel is part of that generic layout. That panel is an intrinsic design ingredient of the site, which understandably wants to keep contributors from designing their own variations. It is a bit of overkill for a minor area with six climbs (two of which are "unknown,"), but that's what happens when you standardize. |
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The "extra" list shows up when you print the area out on paper (the little printer icon near the top right corner on every area), the sidebar does not get printed. So for those of us that still use a flip phone and cannot download the fancy MP app, the extra list is pretty nice because it gives an overview of the routes contained in an area. |
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One small comment about admins changing ones routes. I had admins ask me if it was okay to do some edits. I always tell them to go ahead. It was nice to be asked and also why they wanted to edit. That would have been nice in Ryan's case, so he know it was coming and why. Now it turned into a fight with locked sections. |
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aikibujin wrote:The "extra" list shows up when you print the area out on paper (the little printer icon near the top right corner on every area), the sidebar does not get printed. So for those of us that still use a flip phone and cannot download the fancy MP app, the extra list is pretty nice because it gives an overview of the routes contained in an area.I can understand things from this point of view. However, in this area's case, there are very straightforward area-overview photos with route lines that clearly show all routes, and routes are printed L→R when using the "print" tool. |
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Your choice is not to contribute. |
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rgold wrote:I'm not an admin, but the more or less obvious explanation is that they want to maintain a consistent route description layout across the entire site and that left panel is part of that generic layout. That panel is an intrinsic design ingredient of the site, which understandably wants to keep contributors from designing their own variations. It is a bit of overkill for a minor area with six climbs (two of which are "unknown,"), but that's what happens when you standardize. What you should be doing is to recognize that the panel is going to be there and set up the rest of your information in a way that doesn't explicitly replicate the panel while adding something (a brief comment on the nature of the climbing?) to the name, grade, and stars.Maybe I am misreading his lament, but I don't think this is what Ryan is complaining about. He is complaining about the L>>R information that has been added on the main page by the Admin, not the panel on the left. If done this way, consistency across the site is impossible for reasons Ryan stated in his original post. Apolgoies if I am reading this wrong! |
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Alexander Blum wrote: Maybe I am misreading his lament, but I don't think this is what Ryan is complaining about. He is complaining about the L>>R information that has been added on the main page by the Admin, not the panel on the left. If done this way, consistency across the site is impossible for reasons Ryan stated in his original post. Apolgoies if I am reading this wrong!That is the main issue on this thread. The duplicated and many times unneeded info. It already exists on the left panel. And also that an admin went ahead and changed it without notifying the route owner or explaining it. A conversation beforehand between them would have (hopefully) prevented the fight that later turned out with locked sections and all. I am lucky that I had good experience with admins notifying me ahead of time of changes they want to do. |
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the snorezzzzzzz are strong with this thread |
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Ryan and others, I'm the one who did these 2 edits on this said page. I apologize for not writing you about this. I understand your perspective. FWIW, this has been a tight time schedule for me around these 2 edits. One issue was I had to drive out my middle daughter to college in CA across the desert between these 2 edits. I saw you had edited out the info. I copied and pasted it into a new text box and didn't reassign it to you until I had a chance to discuss it with you. Once I found out you had an issue, I emailed you directly with my home number & email address to discuss the various factors on why some if not many of the MP.com users like these. I didn't hear from you...until today when you emailed me that it wasn't that big of a deal. |
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For my own part, I have seen such LtoR lists that include routes that are not ON MP.com so that way they can appear on the 'list' under area even if not in the route index, and that is particularly useful for sport crags with tightly packed route lines and not many pictures... then you can walk from one side to the otehr an know what is what, even if the route was not formally 'entered.' |