Normal rescue tactics?
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Trapped at work with nothing to do, trying to find something on TV (always a mistake): on MSNBC Caught on Camera was this segment where a woman in a summer running outfit who had climbed over the lip of "Eagle Rock in Los Angeles" (I don't have other details on what the location was). She was about 10 feet below the top, in a little alcove on a sloping ledge about 2 1/2 feet wide. It looked fairly windy in the video. The top appeared easily accessible on foot. |
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Bryan Manning wrote:Link?I Googled around trying to find one on my phone, would definitely have made for a better post, sorry! The footage was pretty terrifying I thought... |
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Andrew Pow wrote:http://www.mountainproject.com/v/eagle-rock/106577904That could well be it. Chopper pilot was calling it 500 feet but 120 looked right to me. |
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I have no SAR training. Agreed. It does seem like rapping in from above to first secure her would have been ideal. Still, looks like maybe not a lot of daylight left to assemble folks on top? |
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By the way - we were on scene for a helicopter pick off in the Grand Tetons not long ago. The situation was not precarious like this. Even so, it is simply amazing what those teams can do with just radio and visual communication. |
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Bill Lawry wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1BVOa0cs42s I have no SAR training. Agreed. It does seem like rapping in from above to first secure her would have been ideal. Still, looks like maybe not a lot of daylight left to assemble folks on top?Wow, you found it, nice work. The raw footage is even scarier! Edit: I'm going to include your link in my original post, thanks for finding it. |
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I am also really curious about how she was secured. Seemed to go on quickly. |
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Can't really see anything but assuming a waist harness. Remember the legs on a harness aren't really 100% necessary. |
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ViperScale wrote:Can't really see anything but assuming a waist harness. Remember the legs on a harness aren't really 100% necessary. Hard to say from video but it didn't really look like anything you could rappel off of, rock looked really chossy.Fair point about a rap anchor, I was thinking there'd be a block back in the bushes there somewhere, and those fire guys always seem to have miles of beefy static line. Obviously I'm being about as armchair quarterback as one can possibly be, it just seems like it would've taken an infinitesimal slip on his part to knock her into void, particularly when he was spinning at what looks like about 100 rpm! |
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Probably what the webbing she was holding on to was for to try to prevent that and once he got the harness on her she let go of it. |
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Here is the story behind how she got there: |
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It's all subjective in a rescue situation, but personally I would've inserted a team by landing the helicopter above and set up a rappel. Typically our pilots wanted to set at least 1 skid on solid ground and unload a team rather than hang a rescuer off the hook. But that's just the protocols from the 1 agency I was trained for helicopter ops with. |
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Watched the video, so I was able to update my original post to be more accurate, and hopefully I answered a few questions. |
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MTCowan wrote:It's all subjective in a rescue situation, but personally I would've inserted a team by landing the helicopter above and set up a rappel.Thanks for your comments MT. Trivia question (because I do understand, I wasn't there, who knows what I would've decided?) : people pointed out that solid anchors might have been hard to find in that terrain. If the helicopter had landed, would it have been heavy enough to use as an anchor for a rescue? |
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Optimistic wrote:Trivia question (because I do understand, I wasn't there, who knows what I would've decided?) : people pointed out that solid anchors might have been hard to find in that terrain. If the helicopter had landed, would it have been heavy enough to use as an anchor for a rescue?Rather, 10 or 20 people tied together sitting back in a depression would make a good anchor. Better pee first as they might be there a while. ;-) Edit: Realistically, it'd take time to hike enough people with harnesses out to the area before dark. |
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I've never used a helicopter on the ground as an anchor point, but we do use even relatively small firetrucks as anchors frequently so I could see that working. Also bear with me as my experience in helicopter rescue was limited to a season in the Adirondacks as a seasonal employee with NYSDEC Forest Ranger Division. I have a decent amount of training in it, but my experience doesn't cover years of helicopter rescue. I just have to wonder how quickly a ground based team could've arrived versus that aircraft. Realistically you're looking at 30-45 mins from time of dispatch for most birds to arrive on scene. |
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First thought was "what a waste of a helicopter resource." |