Rumney Top Anchors
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Many of the more moderate routes at Rumney are equipped with quick clip anchors for lowering off. The decision to use them was a conscious decision made by first ascensionists, and the RCA to make change overs quick and safe. |
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According to metolius, WD40 is safe/will not weaken slings ( metoliusclimbing.com/how-to… ) so it probably isn't bad for ropes either. |
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I will be willing to do my part in slowing down the pace at which DQ has to replace quickies with rams horns. Just tell me what to buy and bring. |
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those quick clips were INMOP a real bad move. they dumbed down the climbing experience and helped foster an atmosphere of complacency and stupidity that all my decisions have been made for me. I don't have to think about anything or make any real decisions. All I have to do is clip those thingys and everything will be fine. way too many instances of leader being too lazy to take one more lap to clean the draws trying to talk their girfriend or child through it from the ground. bad ju Ju. Too many people that don't even know how to clean an anchor that dosen't have the clip thingys on it. |
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S. Neoh wrote:I will be willing to do my part in slowing down the pace at which DQ has to replace quickies with rams horns. Just tell me what to buy and bring. On my recent trip to RRG, Muir Valley in particular, I saw something we might want to adopt at Rumney. Near the top of each trail leading up to a "beginners' crag", you will find a replica anchor setup, set about six feet off the ground, in rock but away from the start of any route proper. At Muir, this means a pair of those nasty Fixe hangers with a single SS rap ring through each. At Rumney, I suppose we could use two hangers with a pair of q-links on each, for the worst case scenario. The purpose of the replica setup is of course to show beginners how to properly clean a non quickie anchor system, thus avoiding the high-stress, shouting back-and-forth business we have all witnessed only too often. Just to throw an idea out there.Picture of one of the anchors at RRG. They do work really well to let you show beginners how to clean anchors and have them practice close to the ground. Not sure how viable it is at Rumney. Perhaps at one of the boulders at Parking lot or Meadows. |
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I think the demo anchor set up is a good idea. However, it is my understanding that there have been MANY accidents in recent years at the Red, most of them involving lowering off. I don't claim to be savvy about it, but a friend who is a member down there, was concerned enough to donate money for some of the new steel gates I just bought. |
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Found the new ram's horns on Rose Garden this past weekend. (I haven't climbed at Rumney since early August) I found them extremely difficult to clip my carabiner to when topping out. I forget if the difficulty was in clipping one leg, or both legs. Is clipping one leg possible? I think I was trying to do both, which seems like it would be the right thing to do. Anyway, point of my post, when you have lines that runout to the finish, or any line for that matter, last thing I want to do is desperately try again and again and again to clip the horns. I know I'm not offering a solution. And I didn't break down the climb, so I'm not really sure how that went. Just throwing in input that my first experience was not the greatest... |
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Tim, the RRG is a vast area. Each major crag seems to have its "favorite" anchor system. A significant number of anchors at Muir happen to be the nasty Fixe ones I mentioned above. They are PITA and I can see people getting frustrated and messing up in the process. That said, these are rap anchors; they will cause your rope to kink if you were to lower rather than rap clean. Really inefficient. I think what we are all looking for at Rumney is an anchor system which allows lowering (links that meet so no kinking), relatively easy to clean, and relatively inexpensive to maintain. One or 2 years ago I would have said the solution les with those expensive solid gate quick clips. Alas, as we have witnessed, the gates do not hold up well and they are pricey to replace. So, DQ is replacing them with ram's horns. Let's hope second time is the charm. If not, I think we should all be OK with a pair of quick links on each anchor hanger or glue in. Yes, we will have to untie, thread, and tie back in but overall still faster than most of the anchor systems I encountered at RRG just a month ago. |
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My partner and I were surprised by a ram horn style anchor on Underdog in late August. Of course we weren't thrilled about figuring out a new anchor at the top of a climb, this style is really intuitive and easy to clean. |
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Fast should have jack shit to do with it! take your time. be methodical. don't fuck up and die. |
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Nick Goldsmith wrote:This is the best top anchor INMOP. tons of room to clip in and easily replaceable.Yup. If ram's horns do not work out for whatever reason, I think this should be the way to go. |
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I recently put new stainless solid gate biners at the top of peer pressure to replace the d-biner and locker that was always locked when you got to the top hahaha. |
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S. Neoh wrote:I clip my draws to the link or hanger that holds the ram's horns.Ahhh, now I'm at a loss. I always clip my anchors to the last link before the quick-clip, not sure why I would have been establishing the anchor on the horns? How are these attatched? Are the ram's horns on quicklinks? They can't be right off the stud can they? or right off the hanger? Maybe they're on quicklinks and I thought it was too bulky in the link? I have the worst memory, but in any event I'll think of this next time I come across this... Edit: actually I am pretty anal about establishing my anchor underneath fixed quick-clips (after seeing a carabiner loaded sideways over one when weighted). Maybe I couldn't slide the horn high enough up the link to get my biner underneath the horn, so I went right into it??? Still can't recall why I wouldn't have used the hanger then... |
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why even bother with the ramns horns? Sounds like just annother attempt to come up with a lazy persons solution to a life and death action that we perform routinly every time we climb. It's too easy to just take the top of the climb / lowering for granted and get complacent if you equip all the climbs with clips or horns that do not require a deliberate thought process. |
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Nick Goldsmith wrote:This is the best top anchor INMOP. tons of room to clip in and easily replaceable.Agreed. Cheap as well and easy to find locally. |
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Nick Goldsmith wrote:This is the best top anchor INMOP. tons of room to clip in and easily replaceable.Agreed. Take 5 minutes to learn how to clean and lower. If this fat 5.6 guy can do it everyone can.. |
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S. Neoh wrote: Got to give the Euros credit for the design, altho they lower off a SINGLE horn over there. So they are still nuts.Threading two horns is a pain, and feels like it would start to kink the rope. A single horn really does feel sufficient for me. I like the horns a lot, but feel like two is borderline excessive. Still many thanks to the RCA, Team Tough, and other volunteers for all the anchor work. |
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I wish I have pics of the ram's horns setup DQ typically puts up. No, the horn does not go directly into the anchor hanger or glue-in. There is link or chain in between. |
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Eli Buzzell wrote: Threading two horns is a pain, and feels like it would start to kink the rope. A single horn really does feel sufficient for me. I like the horns a lot, but feel like two is borderline excessive. Still many thanks to the RCA, Team Tough, and other volunteers for all the anchor work.Horns can be made from different size metal stocks. I think it is posted somewhere on the RCA site that the ones used at R does not have excessively high rating. I am assuming that the single horn Euro system uses a larger horn (made from thicker stock) paired with a 1/2" (?) glue-in. Besides, this vertically inline system have a lower back-up, usually a solid qlink or locking biner, which is not weighted unless the top horn fails. They might be nutty but not stupid! |
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I remember being surprised when I talked to my partner about cleaning & rapping from anchors, and he said "Oh, don't bother with that, at Rumney there are quick clips so you can just lower from the anchor." It seemed awfully convenient at first, but then I lead an easy climb (the terrace, I think?) and found that the quick clips at the anchor were worn more that halfway through the metal. Given the expense and hassle of changing out the clips regularly, and the hazard of having badly worn gear at the anchor, I'd be happy if the anchors went back to being just normal chains with a strict "don't lower off the chains" rule. I really appreciate the people who put the work and money into trying out quick links, and I can see the problem of newbies taking forever and risking mistakes when cleaning the anchor (the first time I cleaned an anchor my belayer had to shout up assistance too), but it seems too much to expect every quick link to be replaced annually, and I'd prefer no quick links to badly worn ones. |