$100 ten sleep 2015 guidebook, worth it?
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I think an artsy guide is actually a pretty cool thing. At least Extreme Angle is doing something different that hasn't been done before (although I do agree with Brian S. about The Gunk's and Tower guides). Pretty cool idea I think. But price prohibitive for me personally. |
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I saw the new Ten Sleep guide at last...really quite a nice piece of work, I have to admit. Probably be a collector's item someday, like the '72 Chouinard equipment catalog. It seems pretty criminal that the author gets so little for each book. |
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8 bolts in 40ft?, I don't even think gyms are that over bolted! |
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Keep in mind that both RRG and NRG guidebooks now total $70 (now that they've been bifurcated). |
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K2tbui wrote:If the author''s intended audience is a typical climber then he is demonstrating either absolute ignorance or disregard (for us) with this price. You are hard press to find any climber with a $100 guide book in his collection. My assumption is that he made this new addition for himself and the artistic value and cared less about the needs of the "typical climber." The biblical cover (???) might as well be a middle finger taunting us. He is the author so I guess it is his right to do so.Really can't stress this enough: THIS IS THE PUBLISHER FUCKING THE AUTHOR. |
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It's synthetic leather, btw. |
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Nick Stayner wrote:Scoggins got it right- not the author's fault, he's pissed about it too. If you two aren't too busy vilifying the guy who's responsible for bolting a ton of classics, publicizing the area, and writing all editions of the guidebook, you should read from the beginning of the thread and get the backstory.Does Aaron have a post somewhere where he explains the situation? Just wondering, I've never met the guy but heard from Charlie that he's awesome. |
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Bradclymber wrote:I think an artsy guide is actually a pretty cool thing. At least Extreme Angle is doing something different that hasn't been done before (although I do agree with Brian S. about The Gunk's and Tower guides). Pretty cool idea I think. But price prohibitive for me personally. That being said I will probably get this cheaper guide as it's more in my price range. nextascent.org/ten-sleep-cl… Just my two cents thoughWell...that was destined to happen! Overprice your product...and the competitors will swoop in to meet the demand curve at its optimal point! nextascent.org/ten-sleep-cl… I expected to see someone do this via an APP (Rakkup or otherwise) versus another printed guide. I think that is still likely for such a popular area. Personally, I love guidebooks and have a large collection...including the last 2 editions (not this $100 edition) of the Ten Sleep guide. I hate it...but I think the age of the printed guidebook is soon to end. I have some guide-APPS..but for me...I MUCH prefer the printed books...but $100 is getting a bit crazy. The problem here is that most of that cost is for the "art" not the info. So, those looking for the info (the majority) are going to ultimately choose the lower cost option. |
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dnoB ekiM wrote: Well...that was destined to happen! Overprice your product...and the competitors will swoop in to meet the demand curve at its optimal point! nextascent.org/ten-sleep-cl…is this a real thing? That isn't the actual cover? looks like a lonely planet edition of ten sleep climbing... |
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thomasg wrote: is this a real thing? That isn't the actual cover? looks like a lonely planet edition of ten sleep climbing...They appear to be a legit climbing guide publisher...but I do not have any info on them or the book. My presumption is they are seeing the market not accept the current book and its price and are basically going to produce a more reasonably priced "copy" of the INFO...and not the ART. |
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I would be wary of buying that book sight unseen. |
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I don't think people would complain so much about a higher than average price that appeared to be aimed at compensating the author for his hard work or supporting the local gear coalition. Spending money on things like leather binding and 3D glasses is a complete waste. I won't be buying this edition. |
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Hi I just came across this, |
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Mike Brady wrote:I would be wary of buying that book sight unseen. mountainproject.com/v/new-b… I hope this book turns out to be a better product than his lastAll of Aaron's books have been superb so I'm not sure what in the hell you are talking about but his guidebooks are ten times better than nearly every falcon book for example I still stand by my mindset that Wolverine publishers are the best all round guidebooks, but Aaron is a ten sleep local and write the books in a very Ten Sleep manner, in a way that fits the culture and I, for one, love it |
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mozeman wrote: All of Aaron's books have been superb so I'm not sure what in the hell you are talking about but his guidebooks are ten times better than nearly every falcon book for example I still stand by my mindset that Wolverine publishers are the best all round guidebooks, but Aaron is a ten sleep local and write the books in a very Ten Sleep manner, in a way that fits the culture and I, for one, love itDid you even read the link? He's slagging on Rob Holzman's book, not Aaron's. |
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Glenn, |
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I just gotta say that I probably paid more than $100 for a text book in college of some subject or class I didn't even need.... If I spent more time in ten sleep or made more money I would buy one. I love guide books. |
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It's a beautiful bit of work, and while it's just too nice to take along, it'll pay for itself in the pleasure I'll have reading and re-reading it, like my copy of the Noyce and Edwards guide to Lliwedd. Much of my climbing occurs entirely in my head, from my comfy armchair... |
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The new Huey guidebook is the evolution of Aarons creativity and handiwork. It is his 'Magnum Opus' and will most likely be the last for a number of reasons. He wanted to get all of the great and crazy irreverence this time into a final edition, that has been the hallmark of each version throughout the years as we kept adding to and growing the amount of climbing in the canyon. Is it a generic bolt count, grade, description and location guide - hell no! Its way more and less at the same time. Buy it or don't, its really a preference or finances thing for most climbers. There are other ways of gleaning the info needed to make the most of a climbing trip to Ten Sleep. |