climbing ban at ramapo powerlines
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Time to shed some real light on this situation, as I have been hearing some random talk on the issue in the local gyms and shit. Talks with the PIPC are beyond pointless. Climbing is prohibited on all their land, which is where 95% of the eastern hudson valley's bouldering is. As it stands, nobody I know has ever been hassled for climbing. In large part because of the secluded locations, but the fact PIPC have no clue what crashpads are obviously works in our favor as well. |
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thats what i've been thinking the entire time. acting like your doing a service to the world doesn't actually make it one. we can all climb there as long as you don't advertise it like the dumb beer bouldering people and and the jersey folks that like to lay in the dirt while they climb. |
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Again, nice trolling guys, but remember that the PIPC has expressed an intent to open the Powerlinez to climbing. Handling that responsibly is the path to opening more PIPC land for climbers. I think we can agree that would be a very good thing. |
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Unreal. Nobody wants you pursuing this. The powerlinez is way below choss, its brittle garbage. You werent the first person to climb there, and have no clue how to find a decent line, or even rate one. Your guide contains shit that first time climbers wouldnt even bother with. Sorry to be so brutal but you are misssing the point completely. Your shitty guide brought a lot of attention to a subpar climbing area, and access could be strained throughout the hudson valley as a result. NOBODY WANTS these areas turned into carriage road. They are perfect as it stands, we never get harrassed and the crags are never crowded. Spots reveal themselves through exploring and word of mouth. Stop trying already, its sickening. Youre a toproper who boulders roughly v2 and now decides hes the al gore of access funds? Why dont you spend your time exploring your own shitty little state, and trying to clear your own access problems up? What a self indulgent little bowl of fruit you are. Oh and a word of advice? Boulder outdoors a bit before you put a guide together. I mean..come on man. This whole situations pathetic |
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Boulderbum, Boulderbum, Boulderbum. This is pathetic. It's pathetic because we both love the same thing and have the same goal. Now I thought being called 'a self indulgent little bowl of fruit' was a little hilarious, but coming from someone who doesn't even use their name here - it's a little pathetic. |
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Hi All... I have been following the Powerlines climbing for a few months now and wanted to add a couple of my thoughts to this discussion. First, I'm not a climber, so maybe I don't belong here at all. But, that said, I understand the desire to climb in the area and recognize the rights of climbers to use the park - it is a public resource after all. |
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Sounds like you guys are being monitored here on the forum... and I think Enviroman has put the issue from the 'other' side into a good perspective. |
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Takes a real POS to invite a park commission member to a climbers forum. Crefeld you are the only one who benefits from this, with your gumby ass guide sales. Enviroman, get a clue...nobodys saying we should dig out caves or exterminate the rattlers...what i said was people shouldnt be climbing there, period. The snake population is thriving and the rock quality is terribly brittle. From the pipc's perspective....powerlinezzzthhh should be the last place in the state that is opened to climbing legally. It is quite literally a shithole, and its mostly beginner/non experienced climbers who would waste time hiking in to such low quality rock. |
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boulderbum, you are either sincere in your appraisal of the area in which case you should just bow out of this discussion (if it's worthless choss why do you care whether or not it gets opened?) |
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I was bummed about the Powerlinez closure until I started climbing in the Gunks and realized what choss Powerlinez is. |
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Morgan, |
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roger - this is probably the 3rd time ive said it now. my interest in this whole mess is not the powerlines...its the thousands of acres in the hudson valley that are managed by the pipc. the whole areas access gets sketchy when shit like this is going on. the less the authorities know about what we do, the better. ive passed park rangers before while hiking with my pad...you think if they knew what it was they wouldnt have busted my balls? |
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Ryan Williams wrote:So let me get this straight: Someone wrote a guidebook and publicized a bouldering area that has nothing harder than a V1, then rated the hardest problems at V6, and now the area is so over run w/ beginners than it has been closed down? Classic.yep, pretty much 5+ pages of this thread in a nutshell right there broseph |
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taken from supertopo...however highly relevant to this thread: |
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To all concerned, the climbing ban at the Ramapo Powerlinez will lift on May 1st, 2013. The Palisades Interstate Park Commission (PIPC) has partnered with the Torne Valley Climber's Coalition (TVCC) in a precedent setting agreement whereby climbers have been entrusted to oversee the Torne Valley area. |
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jon crefeld wrote:To all concerned, the climbing ban at the Ramapo Powerlinez will lift on May 1st, 2013. The Palisades Interstate Park Commission (PIPC) has partnered with the Torne Valley Climber's Coalition (TVCC) in a precedent setting agreement whereby climbers have been entrusted to oversee the Torne Valley area. The area will operate on a waiver and permit system, similar to Peterskill, except there will be no fee. The waivers are now available at The Gravity Vault, and will be available at Rock and Snow, NJRG etc. This is obviously an incredible opportunity. We are the first area and group of climbers with whom The Palisades Interstate Park Commission has partnered, and many thanks to all those contributing and monitoring who took positive steps to represent climbing as a responsible activity. With good stewardship we will all be able to enjoy the local climbing, and this may very well open more doors in the future. More InfoCongratulations Jon! Looking forward to finally climb there. |
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in these modern times with tight ass budgets this was a very open minded and smart move on their part. nice work folks. |
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Congrats on your effort paying off! |
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jon crefeld wrote: With good stewardship we will all be able to enjoy the local climbing, and this may very well open more doors in the future. More InfoAmazing work Jon and crew... great to see PIPC is actually interested in working with climbers... next up the Hudson river cliffs! |
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Boulder bum thoughts/comments? |