Gunks Grid Bolting
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A portion of the gunks has been grid bolted. |
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Multiple people have seen it, and taken pics, including me. I'm not posting pics yet. Believe it if you want, or don't. I don't care. |
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Why don't you want to post pics? Mountainproject is one of the easiest sites to post pics on. |
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Believe me John I wish it was no more than a few bolted anchors and a few pitons replaced with bolts. |
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I don't know about ``grid,'' but a lot of bolts were placed on a relatively small section of the Bayards cliff. At the time I first heard about it, it was unclear whether that portion of the cliff was on Preserve or private land; this may have been resolved but I haven't heard. |
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Hard to believe that they would be able to get away with it without being strung up. I know it's been about 11 years since I've climbed there, but last time I was there it was like being at the gym, so I can only imagine it's gotten worse. So someone... more like a buttload of people should have seen this happening and I am guessing would have said something? Stealth mission at night? Which area? |
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HBL, Bayards is removed from the outdoor gymnasium part of the Gunks, which is just the Trapps and part of the Near Trapps, so not being observed is entirely possible. And the sound of the drilling could easily have been interpreted as some sort of construction sound coming from one of the properties below the cliff. |
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rgold wrote: The willingness of the bolters to enter private land and drill cliffs on private property is astonishing in its sense of entitlement and callousness about the state of climber-landowner relations, ...It would be quite funny if the land owners themselves or their kids did the bolting. Or, could the bolters have gotten permission? It seems too early to make judgements without knowing all the facts. |
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M Sprague wrote: It would be quite funny if the land owners themselves or their kids did the bolting. Or, could the bolters have gotten permission? It seems too early to make judgements without knowing all the facts.These are, of course, the first things people thought of. My understanding is that it none of these possibilities is true, but I think full clarification about whose property the cliffs are has yet to be achieved. Given that there may be some uncertainty about this, MS is right to caution restraint. Part of my propensity to blame those who feel entitled to trespass and deface is that there have been several such incidents in the Gunks in recent years. |
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The climbers who placed these many bolts are very well known. They have invited some of their also well known climber friends to climb there. And they know they are busted. |
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Nope. Got the skinny on this one too. But to keep this thread(it's not mine after all) from getting locked I will keep mummmm...... |
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pretty sure it was just one climber. i think the reasoning was, if its private, the preserve will eventually buy the land, and its easier to forgive bolts in place than ask permission. its a 25 - 30 ft 45 wall at the top of the crag, accessible by rappel. its bullet amazing gunks caprock with a handful of short hard routes that are impossible to lead on trad gear. apparently he left a mess. do you really think the responsible party reads mountain project, and if so, is going to respond to this? this does nothing but toot your horn that you know about it and are MAD! you might as well email or call him if you're not going to officially call him out. |
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So anyone have directions to these new sport routes? |
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Hmmm. If the damage to the cliff exceeds $1,500 it looks as though the bolter(s) could be charged with criminal mischief in the second degree, which is a Class D Felony, and punishable by up to seven years in prison. |
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slab wrote:the accused will deny culpability and avoid public ridicule. unless he's a moron.It's already pretty clear he's a moron. |
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So where do u rap into this area? |
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mitchy wrote:Edited outmitchy, What's up with that? Why you throwing X and X's name out there like that.. I know for a fact they had nothing to do with that. Unless it's fact you should keep those kind of comments to yourself... |
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Dude, relax. I was only kidding, i don't ACTUALLY think those 2 would do ANYTHING like that. You dig. |
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