[Hide Comment] For those of you who visit this site looking for climbing beta versus dialogue, fueled by Judge Locker's ignominious ruling, about an accident that should be occuring between the parties involved in private then read on.

Many of the routes on the Wernal Walls and vicinity are incredibly fun and compelling. After climbing the classics "After Becky" and "The Waltzing Wern" you will leave bewildered that the FA's were done in 2004!! Multiple thanks to AJ, Murf, DEE, KD, and Rico! Mar 26, 2004

[Hide Comment] This entire area is why visiting climbers say Josh is a pile. All the rock except for about 6 feet on any route is total choss with no redeeming qualities. I wish I had a pipeline to the chemicals the FAists were on when they thought this stuff was good. Dec 6, 2006

[Hide Comment] I think we may be having a knee jerk reaction from Russ and the Fish submen. There is some loose rock throughout the two walls that may or may not clean up with traffic. In terms of grade, if you didn't lead it, your grade should be taken with a grain of salt. As Russ surely knows grading FA's is a tricky thing, they often feel harder than they are. The approach may be long for some of Josh, but it ain't worth bitching about.

Given all that,some of the routes aren't worth repeating ( but some of them are ). That's the fantastic thing about MP.com, what would take years of word of mouth is instantly available.

Lastly, if you've never had a great day on new rock with some good friends, and subsequently sprayed about it, that's too bad. Is the Vernal Walls the end all be all of Josh? Hell no... but I had fun when I was there, sorry you boys didn't.

Fish n' submen, return the recommendation ( or sandbag ), let me know where I should go next. 'Cept none of that crazy bouldering stuff, way too hard on my knees. Dec 7, 2006

[Hide Comment] hahaha! I liked the submen quote too.... I've been led around by my schwanz by Chris for the last few weeks.

No knee jerk at all. Those routes are just plain junk. We do commend you though on the sandbag. A job well done! Dec 7, 2006

[Hide Comment] I thought Waltzing Vern was good, but I haven't led it. The rest I believe I gave 1 star, which have maybe pushed to 2 on the upgrade, maybe not ) which means worth doing, but not necessarily worth traveling for. Too bad you didn't do Quatro Manos or Detachable Penis, I like those two although they are short ( they are across the way ). Didn't really try to sandbag anybody, successfully or not. I'm glad you didn't get sucked up into the Valley of Kings, 'cause you really would have been pissed. That's not to say VOK sucks IMO, mind you.... I'm just saying.

Hopefully Chris and Will take the submen comment as well as everyone else.

Again, always looking for that out of the way wall I've missed, sandbags ( if that is the appropriate term ) welcome.

One thing is obvious, spend too much time at Josh, and your judgement will become suspect. Dec 7, 2006