Not a very good idea.


https://secure2.convio.net/suwa/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=729

SUWA is a mentally handicapped association.

That being said, it's a slippery slope when you start denying certain groups access. Who's to say that SUWA won't be put off next by those damned irresponsible climbers and their shiny clippies.

Also, this should be posted in the southern utah forum. We don't need a bunch of people in georgia influencing decisions 3000 miles away.

It's a slippery slope when we don't allow rampant destruction on pristine wilderness? I don't get that at all. I know I love the Creek because of the beauty and peace as well as the climbing. How much fun would we have around the campfire with ATV's ripping through the campground all night? They have plenty of other places and developed trails to play on, where wilderness isn't an issue and other user groups aren't trampled in their wake.

Do climbers demand to climb where Peregrines are nesting or should we have access to those awesome splitters right beside the petroglyphs? No, we respect that our impact there would be detrimental and we stick to loving the areas (and taking good care of them, ie. trail days) where we aren't destroying important cultural or natural resources.

Also, because this is an international destination and a resource that has been set aside for everyone, shouldn't someone in Georgia have the same say as someone who lives in Moab? I could say that we should just involve climbers in Southern Utah, and that no one in Salt Lake should have any opinion, right?

www.facebook.com/notes/friends-of-indian-creek/atvbridger-ja>>>

I'm familiar with the plan, and with the potential impacts. It might be worth noting that the Friends of Indian Creek also oppose the right of way, it's not just handicapped enviros. If climbers don't support our advocate groups, who will? I guess I'm a little biased, I'm usually able to avoid the 'zoo' that comes with October weekends at the Creek. I don't exactly see where that comes into play here though, destruction is destruction. Noise is noise. Lavender Canyon is amazing and beautiful. So are the Bridger Jacks. Take it for what it's worth, I'm against it, and so are the FOIC. You're welcomed to write a letter to the BLM voicing your opinion.

You're a super tough guy Price.

Ah yes, resorting to name-calling when you run out of intelligent things to say.

Nice move.

Price...you know we love you and your shit spewing mouth.

I was never debating any facts....just sayin' "yo son... you bein a pansy"!!!

In all honesty though it was just your smart ass reply insinuating the world looks so much better from up there in Ootah looking down.

bump.. Please submit a comment. They are due today (10/5) at 5pm

https://www.facebook.com/notes/friends-of-indian-creek/indian-creek-atv-row-foics-updated-comments-in-protest-of-row-please-submit-comm/388988711174187

I wrote mine to.. BLM_UT_MT_Comments@blm.gov

Thanks for your help. I was at rez wall last weekend and I could hear ATV's all the way down by Cottonwood campground. It would be a shame if they were rolling around the Bridger Jacks constantly.

BTW Mark, not only are you the hardest and strongest drinker of the crew, your now the president of the debate team. Congratulations!

I'm not very familiar with the area, but it seems like the original link (SUWA) is trying to have the trail stopped outright while the FOIC facebook link is trying to have the trail diverted such that it doesn't go near Bridger Jacks. I don't think I'd support the former, but the latter seems like a reasonable request (based on the few facts I have). Though I'm primarily a climber, there was a brief time that I owned a dirt bike. It was tons of fun, and I'd still own one if I had easier access to trails and/or lots more time on my hands.

Fortunately, the way the system is set up individuals and user groups are able to comment and express their opinions on issues that will ultimately affect them.

I am of the opinion that I don't want to listen to Off Road Vehicles whine in and out of the BJ's as I climb at Cat Wall. Same as I wouldn't want to hear them on the Valley floor if I was climbing the Captain. This adversely affects my recreation experience and I will comment as such..