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Sep 18, 2012
Hey all, I know there have been some posts about wired bliss but haven't found much info specifically on the quads; and there is plenty of info on C4's. Planning on building a rack since I just have some inherited old cams and nuts that are in need of replacing. I just had some questions about similarities and preferences between the two.

I know C4s have a greater range, but in terms of performance is there a great difference? It'd be great to get by and save some money with the wired bliss quads, especially since WB is made in the US.

Any input would be appreciated, cheers!
Joined Feb 1, 2012
86 points
Sep 18, 2012
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I like how WB makes their cams in the US but personally I've never found a cam I like better than the C4. I find the larger U stem cams to be a little more awkward to place than a single stem unit and the range on the C4 is really nice. The WB cams will be fine and are going to catch your falls but if you buy a rack of c4's you won't ever regret it. tsuji
From Boulder, CO
Joined Mar 9, 2009
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Sep 18, 2012
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you can pretty much search any thread on cams and find this topic pretty well discussed.

Each cam will have it's own benefit. I use metolius, BD and Wild Country. Each one has a different range that I use to fill in the gaps. In my double rack half is BD and the other rack is metolius TCUs and wild country, each one filling in a spot the other doesn't. The metolius and WC have a smaller profile that the BD's just don't fit as well, but the BD's when placed are bomber and tend to walk less than the metolius. It's not really a matter of "performance" but more what you like and the small details in placing.

If you only plan to have one rack I might be tempted to just say BD. But if this is your start up rack, it's not a huge issue to save money and buy WB or metolius. They aren't bad cams and are used by a large number of people. I've been happy with both. I started with power cams and then later got more BD's and TCUs to round my rack out.

Do a thread search and you'll find most of the info you want, but either way it's win win. You'll have cams.
Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Joined Feb 15, 2006
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Sep 18, 2012
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Bd C4s Wired bliss and helium friends. I have c4s i like them but diversity in your rack will pay huge dividends. I have all three brands from tight hands to fists. It does make the color scheme thing harder but after about ten pitches its simple...ymmv. it always seems to lend its self to a better placement then just having one brand. I dont have to deal with a tipped out cam i just grab the friend or WB or C4 that fits perfectly. If it sounds like i have too many cams...i kinda do... it might be a problem but there isnt a good support group i can go to... Rob Warden, Space Lizard
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