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By bearbreeder
Apr 23, 2012

Ray Pinpillage wrote:
You mean the thread where you broke a TCU misusing it and then tried to play it off as Metolius's fault?


please provide the quote where i said it was metolius fault ... you cant ;)

note there were quite a few people on there who had issues with their small tcus/mastercams ... some who claim they didnt even weight it ... some very respectable posters ...

but then its all lies for you i suppose =P

thread in question ... people can make their own decisions and decide if were all liars ...

www.mountainproject.com/v/mastercam-0---broken-cam-stop/1071>>>


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By Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Apr 23, 2012
Cleo's Needle

bearbreeder wrote:
please provide the quote where i said it was metolius fault ... you cant ;) note there were quite a few people on there who had issues with their small tcus/mastercams ... some who claim they didnt even weight it ... some very respectable posters ... but then its all lies for you i suppose =P


It was a Mastercam thread about defective cam stops and you brought it back from the dead so you could post a picture of your broken TCU. You didn't "say", you "inferred". The same exact clownish shit as right now.


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By bearbreeder
Apr 23, 2012

Ray Pinpillage wrote:
It was a Mastercam thread about defective cam stops and you brought it back from the dead so you could post a picture of your broken TCU. You didn't "say", you "inferred". The same exact clownish shit as right now.


lol ... so yr inferring now ... posting about a thread where people have issues about mastercams and TCUs is clownish ... did you call ryan williams here clownish when he posted his issue about his blown tcu in the same thread ...

someone asked about mastercams and i simply pointed to another thread ...

did ya read "Guideline #1: don't be a jerk" ;)

im "inferring" you didnt =P


id say this is VERY relevant to the discussion from another "clownish" poster ...

I recently had a cam stop failure on my purple master cam as well. It was bought when the master cams first came out. The good folks at rock and snow got on the horn with metolius they sent them some pics of the cam stop/heads and i got a new cam. The new lobes are the major difference. The lobes are now smooth. According to metolius the grooved lobes weakened the milled stop and was a design weakness effecting both the purple and grey. My question now is my 00/grey hasn't failed yet but i dont feel like waiting till it does. Will metolius take back a unbroken cam that they havent officially recalled?


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By Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Apr 23, 2012
Cleo's Needle

bearbreeder wrote:
lol ... so yr inferring now ... posting about a thread where people have issues about mastercams and TCUs is clownish ... did you call ryan williams here clownish when he posted his issue about his blown tcu in the same thread ... someone asked about mastercams and i simply pointed to another thread ... did ya read "Guideline #1: don't be a jerk" ;) im "inferring" you didnt =P id say this is VERY relevant to the discussion from another "clownish" poster ... I recently had a cam stop failure on my purple master cam as well. It was bought when the master cams first came out. The good folks at rock and snow got on the horn with metolius they sent them some pics of the cam stop/heads and i got a new cam. The new lobes are the major difference. The lobes are now smooth. According to metolius the grooved lobes weakened the milled stop and was a design weakness effecting both the purple and grey. My question now is my 00/grey hasn't failed yet but i dont feel like waiting till it does. Will metolius take back a unbroken cam that they havent officially recalled?


Sure, except you didn't have a cam stop failure. You took a lead fall on a 5kn TCU. The cam stop issue on the Mastercam was resolved quite a while ago but if the OP buys NOS gear he should be able to see if he has an old unit and Metolius will fix it...assuming he doesn't take a lead fall on 00 and expect a free warranty repair.

Just admit it, your feelings are hurt Metolius doesn't have a no questions asked warranty and you're running them down because of it.


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By Elena Sera Jose
From colorado
Apr 23, 2012
bacon

Sold on diversified rack!


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By bearbreeder
Apr 23, 2012

Ray Pinpillage wrote:
Sure, except you didn't have a cam stop failure. You took a lead fall on a 5kn TCU. The cam stop issue on the Mastercam was resolved quite a while ago but if the OP buys NOS gear he should be able to see if he has an old unit and Metolius will fix it...assuming he doesn't take a lead fall on 00 and expect a free warranty repair. Just admit it, your feelings are hurt Metolius doesn't have a no questions asked warranty and you're running them down because of it.



awww ... poor babiiii ... youd rather call people clownish than have relevant information out there

perhaps you can quote where i asked metolius for a new cam? ... i just took it to mec and they gave me a c3 ... but then youre not to happy about retailers having warranties are ya ;)

so yr saying metolius will give him another cam should he get one of the "defective" ones that havent been recalled ... even without a fall or it "breaking" ... is that an official line ... do you work for metolius .... hmmm

perhaps you can give us the exact production dates of those mastercams with the known issue ... and confirm they ONLY affect the mastercams ...


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By Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Apr 24, 2012
Cleo's Needle

bearbreeder wrote:
awww ... poor babiiii ... youd rather call people clownish than have relevant information out there perhaps you can quote where i asked metolius for a new cam? ... i just took it to mec and they gave me a c3 ... but then youre not to happy about retailers having warranties are ya ;) so yr saying metolius will give him another cam should he get one of the "defective" ones that havent been recalled ... even without a fall or it "breaking" ... is that an official line ... do you work for metolius .... hmmm perhaps you can give us the exact production dates of those mastercams with the known issue ... and confirm they ONLY affect the mastercams ...


Metolius has replaced defective cam stops free of charge (it's right in the link you posted), feel free to call them. I don't work for metolius but rather than rely on second or third hand information I spoke with them directly. I know, it's a novel concept in this day and age.


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By bearbreeder
Apr 24, 2012

Ray Pinpillage wrote:
Metolius has replaced defective cam stops free of charge (it's right in the link you posted), feel free to call them. I don't work for metolius but rather than rely on second or third hand information I spoke with them directly. I know, it's a novel concept in this day and age.



from mr herrington ...

I also climbed on a purple mastercam that had a snapped-off cam stop.

The cam stops on Master Cams are necessary for the cam to work in any mode. The spring curls around the cam stop and without it in place, there is no spring tension.

It was on a friend's rack we were using for the day, the piece was quite new, and he said he couldn't figure out how it had broken since he hadn't weighted the piece yet.

I didn't realize that cam was broken until I went to place it and noticed that half of the lobes didn't expand after I pulled the trigger.

Metolius's response was basically that damage happens to small and finnicky gear, and they had no way to ensure I hadn't abused the gear, which is obviously all true. They weren't going to replace it.


perhaps you can absolutely and utterly confirm the affected dates, and that metolius will replace even certain "undamaged" mastercams which according to one poster they know have an issue ... and whether it ONLY affects mastercams ...


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By Elena Sera Jose
From colorado
Apr 24, 2012
bacon

Which ones are defective?


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By Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Apr 24, 2012
Cleo's Needle

Elena Sera Jose wrote:
Which ones are defective?


The issue is/was with 0 and 00 Mastercams. Metolius changed the shape of the cam stop. When I spoke with Metolius they said if I have a problem they'd take care of it, some people report that to be the case and some don't. The number of reports seem to be minor.




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By Tommey-James
From Boulder,Colorado
Apr 24, 2012

Master Cams suck ass.


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By Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Apr 24, 2012
Cleo's Needle

bearbreeder wrote:
from mr herrington ... I also climbed on a purple mastercam that had a snapped-off cam stop. The cam stops on Master Cams are necessary for the cam to work in any mode. The spring curls around the cam stop and without it in place, there is no spring tension. It was on a friend's rack we were using for the day, the piece was quite new, and he said he couldn't figure out how it had broken since he hadn't weighted the piece yet. I didn't realize that cam was broken until I went to place it and noticed that half of the lobes didn't expand after I pulled the trigger. Metolius's response was basically that damage happens to small and finnicky gear, and they had no way to ensure I hadn't abused the gear, which is obviously all true. They weren't going to replace it. perhaps you can absolutely and utterly confirm the affected dates, and that metolius will replace even certain "undamaged" mastercams which according to one poster they know have an issue ... and whether it ONLY affects mastercams ...


Do you think your TCU was deffective? If so, why?


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By bearbreeder
Apr 24, 2012

Ray Pinpillage wrote:
Do you think your TCU was deffective? If so, why?


did i say it was defective ... did i ask for a new one from metolius ... did i say it was "unsafe" in any way ... if so please provide the quote

fact ... i simply provided a reference on this thread to another thread where quite a few posters, many respected, had issues with their mastercams/tcus for whatever reason

fact ... this is VERY relevant to the discussion as this is about mastercams

fact ... NEVER ONCE did i call the tcu defective or state it was metolius fault, nor did i "demand" a new TCU from them as you clearly said ... i simply pointed out as mr williams did that i had one fail ... and i bought it from MEC to save having to deal with the manufacturer ... maybe were all clowns ;) ... i personally still have and old grey TCU and newer blue UL TCU on my rack ...

fact ... at least one poster indicated that metollius knows about the issue, and at least one well respected poster indicated that metolius did not take care of them ... obviously this is contrary to yr statement that metolius will "take care of it" ... since they admitted the issue will they take care of anyone with the problem cams before they break?

fact ... yr the one whos going off about referring to that information as "clowning"

im still waiting for yr exact knowledge of the dates and exact cams that are affected ... as well as if theyll replace the "defective" ones that haven broken yet ... since yr obviously knowledgeable enough about the issue to call referring to it as "clowning" =P


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By Cole Phinney
From Sheridan, Wy
Apr 24, 2012

Because you should support your neighbor and buy American made products.


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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Apr 24, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.

Cole Phinney wrote:
Because you should support your neighbor and buy American made products.


I will when I deem it prudent to do so. If superior products are made abroad, much like Honda vs. Ford or GM (in the last two decades, lately the domestic brands have stepped it up; they were forced to). When I'm buying shit that my life depends on, supporting my neighbor is secondary to buying the best product available.

I'm not implying that American made climbing gear isn't trustworthy. There have been recalls both from companies at home (US) and abroad. I'm just saying that I draw from several factors when I buy, not just supporting American companies- although that is a consideration. Flame on.


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By Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Apr 24, 2012
Cleo's Needle

bearbreeder wrote:
did i say it was defective ... did i ask for a new one from metolius ... did i say it was "unsafe" in any way ... if so please provide the quote fact ... i simply provided a reference on this thread to another thread where quite a few posters, many respected, had issues with their mastercams/tcus for whatever reason fact ... this is VERY relevant to the discussion as this is about mastercams fact ... NEVER ONCE did i call the tcu defective or state it was metolius fault, nor did i "demand" a new TCU from them as you clearly said ... i simply pointed out as mr williams did that i had one fail ... and i bought it from MEC to save having to deal with the manufacturer ... maybe were all clowns ;) ... i personally still have and old grey TCU and newer blue UL TCU on my rack ... fact ... at least one poster indicated that metollius knows about the issue, and at least one well respected poster indicated that metolius did not take care of them ... obviously this is contrary to yr statement that metolius will "take care of it" ... since they admitted the issue will they take care of anyone with the problem cams before they break? fact ... yr the one whos going off about referring to that information as "clowning" im still waiting for yr exact knowledge of the dates and exact cams that are affected ... as well as if theyll replace the "defective" ones that haven broken yet ... since yr obviously knowledgeable enough about the issue to call referring to it as "clowning" =P



Five emotional paragraphs instead of three sentences...got it.

OP, call Metolius if you have any questions. The Mastercam may or may not be for you. Some people like them and some don't but there's tons of options so don't get too hung up.


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By Cole Phinney
From Sheridan, Wy
Apr 25, 2012

muttonface wrote:
I will when I deem it prudent to do so.


Well then you just let me know when you feel like giving a fuck about your friends and family, because its people like you that are destroying this country.


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By Elena Sera Jose
From colorado
Apr 25, 2012
bacon

Mutton is a good guy....just an observation ....on topic : im sticking with all BD rack to avoid confusion because im a new leader and just getting comfortable with eye to crack to cam size coordination. Thank you all for your input!


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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Apr 26, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.

Cole Phinney wrote:
Well then you just let me know when you feel like giving a fuck about your friends and family, because its people like you that are destroying this country.


Freedom ain't free bro! You can just love it or leave it! Or...

There is another option.

When you pull your obtuse head out of your ass, perhaps you'll figure it out. Btw, I served in the USMC from 1994 to 1999 in the Infantry, and not in the mail room. I am a combat veteran. Please don't profess to me that you know what it is to be patriotic, and that I don't, unless you have once in your life STFU, walked the walk and been completely willing and ready to give your life for your country- not a product. I'll buy what I want. What I want is quality; especially when my life rests in the balance of said quality- you know, with like, cars, and cams 'n shit.

Incidentally, ostrich man, you have no idea what's destroying this country. I guarantee you it's not people that demand quality.


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By cms829
Apr 26, 2012
high e

muttonface wrote:
Freedom ain't free bro! You can just love it or leave it! Or... There is another option. When you pull your obtuse head out of your ass, perhaps you'll figure it out. Btw, I served in the USMC from 1994 to 1999 in the Infantry, and not in the mail room. I am a combat veteran. Please don't profess to me that you know what it is to be patriotic, and that I don't, unless you have once in your life STFU, walked the walk and been completely willing and ready to give your life for your country- not a product. I'll buy what I want. What I want is quality; especially when my life rests in the balance of said quality- you know, with like, cars, and cams 'n shit. Incidentally, ostrich man, you have no idea what's destroying this country. I guarantee you it's not people that demand quality.

"LIKE"


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By APBT1976
Apr 26, 2012
Black Dike 12/25/11

muttonface wrote:
Freedom ain't free bro! You can just love it or leave it! Or... There is another option. When you pull your obtuse head out of your ass, perhaps you'll figure it out. Btw, I served in the USMC from 1994 to 1999 in the Infantry, and not in the mail room. I am a combat veteran. Please don't profess to me that you know what it is to be patriotic, and that I don't, unless you have once in your life STFU, walked the walk and been completely willing and ready to give your life for your country- not a product. I'll buy what I want. What I want is quality; especially when my life rests in the balance of said quality- you know, with like, cars, and cams 'n shit. Incidentally, ostrich man, you have no idea what's destroying this country. I guarantee you it's not people that demand quality.


Fucking Awesome!!!


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By Elena Sera Jose
From colorado
Apr 26, 2012
bacon

muttonface wrote:
Freedom ain't free bro! You can just love it or leave it! Or... There is another option. When you pull your obtuse head out of your ass, perhaps you'll figure it out. Btw, I served in the USMC from 1994 to 1999 in the Infantry, and not in the mail room. I am a combat veteran. Please don't profess to me that you know what it is to be patriotic, and that I don't, unless you have once in your life STFU, walked the walk and been completely willing and ready to give your life for your country- not a product. I'll buy what I want. What I want is quality; especially when my life rests in the balance of said quality- you know, with like, cars, and cams 'n shit. Incidentally, ostrich man, you have no idea what's destroying this country. I guarantee you it's not people that demand quality.

Amen!


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By mtoensing
From Boulder
Apr 26, 2012
Props to my home state show

Tommey-James wrote:
Master Cams suck ass.


I fully agree. Pretty much as good as any paper weight but that's all they are good for.


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By Sir Wanksalot
From County Jail
Apr 26, 2012

Tommey-James wrote:
Master Cams suck ass.


Why? Examples? I like them, they seem to fit, but I'm a wanker and don't climb hard.


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By cms829
Apr 26, 2012
high e

Those who are saying they suck care to elaborate?


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