Who takes longer falls? Tall people or short people?
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 Mar 5, 2012 So me and a friend were discussing this at Joshua Tree this weekend. If a climber who is 6'2" takes a lead fall at the exact same place as a climber who is 5'10", who takes the longer fall? Assuming you measure the fall from the waist, the taller climber could fall an extra 4" than the shorter climber. Or would it be an extra 8" due to the doubling of the rope? Or would the shorter climber take a longer fall because he's smaller and therefore as a percentage of body length, the fall is longer? Obviously I'm in no way an expert on the matter, but what do the minds of MP think? Graham SFrom Riverside, CAJoined Apr 26, 201016 points
 Mar 5, 2012 If the climbers are falling from the same place and we're talking about measuring the length of fall from their waist, we assume their waists are at the same height above the last piece, therefore they will fall the same distance G McGFrom Victoria, BCJoined Dec 6, 20101 points
 Mar 5, 2012 The one that actually gets out and climbs. mugsyJoined Nov 22, 20110 points
 Mar 5, 2012 Graham S wrote:So me and a friend were discussing this at Joshua Tree this weekend. If a climber who is 6'2" takes a lead fall at the exact same place as a climber who is 5'10", who takes the longer fall? Assuming you measure the fall from the waist, the taller climber could fall an extra 4" than the shorter climber. Or would it be an extra 8" due to the doubling of the rope? Or would the shorter climber take a longer fall because he's smaller and therefore as a percentage of body length, the fall is longer? Obviously I'm in no way an expert on the matter, but what do the minds of MP think? Are they both climbing on the same color rope? MojoMonkeyJoined Jan 29, 200975 points
 Mar 5, 2012 if they're both static, reliable climbers; they will fall the same distance. however, if one of them is a dynamic, unreliable climber; s/he will fall much further regardless of height. that is, unless s/he can no longer climb because of all the tendon damage that has surely resulted from that style of climbing. and, if they're both dynamic, unreliable climbers; they're gonna die. Crag DwellerFrom New York, NYJoined Jul 17, 2006274 points
 Mar 5, 2012 johnL wrote:Tall people fall further because I drop them. Bunch of freaks. Can't wait to climb with ya on weds John!! Hahahah, Greeaaaaaat! TuRETZFrom Denver, coJoined Sep 3, 2009149 points
 Mar 5, 2012 tall people don't fall because the moves are easier for them Darren MabeFrom Flagstaff, AZJoined Dec 12, 20024,116 points
 Mar 5, 2012 Nice, John. The tall person will fall father, for the simple reason that they're freakishly huge and will yank their reasonably-sized belayer off the ground. Unless we're talking about a tall skinny guy with a short, fat partner. It's my experience that the tall climber will fall more frequently, too. DobsonFrom Butte, MTJoined Oct 20, 2011217 points
 Mar 5, 2012 Some interesting answers here. Simply put, height makes no difference, weight does. If you are trying to make a comparison, you need to have fixed points to measure, such as the tie in point and distance above the last piece of gear. A tall person falling down a flight of stairs is a whole different story. Their head will certainly fall further before hitting the ground. Ouch. More important, is your belayer smoking a cig, drinking a pbr or checking out some babe. Greg DFrom HereJoined Apr 5, 2006994 points
 Mar 5, 2012 A picture is worth a kiloword. fall pic It is all relative to the reference point though, as well the body frame in question (i.e. some folks have short legs and long torsos...) So in reality... it will change with most situations. daniel arthurFrom Auburn,AlJoined Mar 28, 200737 points
 Mar 5, 2012 muttonface wrote:Note to self: Don't let johnL belay your freakishly tall ass. Ever. Mface, do you have a job or ever go climbing? You comment on EVERY thread. Bill DuganFrom San Bernardino, CAJoined Nov 21, 20103 points
 Mar 5, 2012 Depends how you define "the exact same place." If you're talking about falling from the exact same footholds then the taller climber will fall farther. If you're talking about falling from the exact same handholds then the tall climber will fall a shorter distance. If you're talking about the knot being at the same point on the route then they will fall the same distance (all other factors being equal). JesseTFrom Portland, ORJoined May 5, 2011114 points
 Mar 5, 2012 So there is more than one way to interpret the op's question. Graham. Are you asking if both climbers feet are at the same distance above last piece of gear or tie in point is at the same distance above last piece. If they are both standing on the same foot holds, then obviously the tie in point is gonna be higher for the taller person, and yes, a longer fall. Unless taller guy is a twig weighing in at 140 and 6'2" and shorter guy weighs in at 195 and 5'10". Greg DFrom HereJoined Apr 5, 2006994 points
 Mar 5, 2012 Fat people fall farther. BrianFrom North Kingstown, RIJoined Sep 27, 2001800 points
 AdministratorMar 5, 2012 Darren Mabe wrote:tall people don't fall because the moves are easier for them Unless it's a roof! Jason HalladayFrom Los Alamos, NMJoined Oct 19, 200510,394 points
 Mar 5, 2012 does 4" matter at all...? ErboutitmanFrom farmingdale nyJoined Jan 13, 20115 points
 Mar 5, 2012 This post violated Rule #1. It has been removed by Mountain Project. RyanOFrom sunshineJoined Jun 9, 2009181 points
 Mar 5, 2012 Erboutitman wrote:does 4" matter at all...? That depends on if you're talking about length or girth. RyanOFrom sunshineJoined Jun 9, 2009181 points
 Mar 5, 2012 I'm thinking the tall guy is reaching further from the stance, long arms, therefore works, pulls a bit higher up than the stumpy guy and falls further. Stumpy is working through intermediate moves under the reach of giganto', from same stance so if he falls during the move, his waist should still be much less above the last piece. If he moves up to the same higher holds that 'giganto fell from, well then I suppose his waist is also higher thus a longer fall. This is interesting. This thread is certainly seeing alot of logic and thinking....not as mindless as many of our usual discussions! Woodchuck ATCJoined Nov 29, 20073,181 points
 Mar 7, 2012 MojoMonkey wrote: Are they both climbing on the same color rope? Hahahaha! Yes they are. Greg D wrote:So there is more than one way to interpret the op's question. Graham. Are you asking if both climbers feet are at the same distance above last piece of gear or tie in point is at the same distance above last piece. If they are both standing on the same foot holds, then obviously the tie in point is gonna be higher for the taller person, and yes, a longer fall. Unless taller guy is a twig weighing in at 140 and 6'2" and shorter guy weighs in at 195 and 5'10". The way we were thinking, we would measure the distance starting at it's lowest point, the feet. Otherwise, the taller climber would surely fall further since his knot is higher than his feet and so are his hands, immediately giving the edge to the taller climber. (if not climbing and ugly OW upside down...) But then at the same time what catches the climber?? the rope, so should we consider the tie-in point instead of the feet? Crag Dweller wrote: they're gonna die. Well played. Greg D wrote: More important, is your belayer smoking a cig, drinking a pbr or checking out some babe. Or a joint. I'm guilty of smoking a cig and probably checking out some hawtie on occasion. However, a joint is something you share IMO. Graham SFrom Riverside, CAJoined Apr 26, 201016 points
 Mar 7, 2012 In the end, its the guy with the bigger balls that takes longer falls. Greg DFrom HereJoined Apr 5, 2006994 points

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