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By cms829
Feb 29, 2012
high e
Im done with this argument. David summed it up. Thanks dude. Regardless, superkick, your turning this into an argument that was never an argument to begin with. Who the hell began talking about climbing ropeless? And who the heck said anything about me climbing the DC? You. And if you knew anything about my experience, I think you would change your tone. With that said. good luck to you. I personally dont care whether or not you choose to use screamers as they were intended, or even a rope. Do your thing dude. Its all you.

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By superkick
From West Hartford, CT
Feb 29, 2012
Free Solo up hitchcock gully WI3
The need of a rope is objective based. And your own level of confidence..and a partners level if you have one. I didnt say never use a rope..I said most times... On a route with sustained periods of near vertical ice, or sustained periods of technical alpine rock climbing...sure. On easy or moderate routes, or a moderate route with short periods of non vertical ice. probably not.

Its my own opinion that screamers are useless and mostly make up for confidence people lack when climbing a route utside their ability.. you are the one who wont let the subject go. My original post at the guy who stated he uses screamers to give him mental confidence, wasnt directed at you..and he never even responded to it. Apparently youve just felt the need to be a champion of the screamer.

Enjoy it.

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By cms829
Feb 29, 2012
high e
Lol...If you remember...I dont even own one. Your arguing that a piece of gear is used to simply instill confidence, which could then be said about every piece of hardware ever made... In which case you might as well donate your entire rack to me. I'll put it to good use. I am simply trying to HELP you realize that they are not useless and do not simply "make up for lack of confidence" in climbers who use them. I was not trying to argue from the start, however your ignorance seems to of cause you to ignore the hard evidence that a major gear MFG unassociated with Yates put out. That SHOULD of been the end of the conversation right there. If you recall it wasnt I that wouldnt "let the subject go". That would be you. You cannot deny proof. If you could, we could all sit here and argue each piece of gear we each choose to use. In closing, in certain instances, even you yourself MAY benefit from the several ounces of "extra" weight. It may even save your ass one day. Considering Im beginning to put up new routes in the middle of no where working with a well known guidebook author, I plan on buying a couple. If it saves my butt once, it was money well spent and weight worth carrying. All this was to provide the truth, not to bicker about other useless crap.

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By superkick
From West Hartford, CT
Feb 29, 2012
Free Solo up hitchcock gully WI3
I love people who argue for the use of things they dont even own...

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By cms829
Feb 29, 2012
high e
LMAO...that is your reply? I have owned them, I have used them, I do understand how they work and I do know they work because factual testing doesnt lie. dude...Get a grip on yourself. No longer feel the need to help you understand so...cya

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By superkick
From West Hartford, CT
Feb 29, 2012
Free Solo up hitchcock gully WI3
Factual testing is now a once run limited study, done by engineers and not physicists? A study that states, "Our limited testing does show, however, that a Screamer (or similar energy absorbing device) COULD reduce the peak force that the piece is subjected to by up to 26%."

Enjoy your use of screamers and depending upon them because they CULD save you when you climb out of your ability on sketchy ice.

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By cms829
Feb 29, 2012
high e
Holy crap dude.... your insane!

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By superkick
From West Hartford, CT
Feb 29, 2012
Free Solo up hitchcock gully WI3
first you said you dont use screamers.

then you said you dont own sceamers.

then you said you owned and used them in the past.

then you said youd stop responding.

then you responded again.

sounds like youre the one who cant figure out whats ging on upstairs.

just full of contradictions arent cha little buddy?

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By Crag Dweller
From New York, NY
Feb 29, 2012
My navigator keeps me from getting lost
superkick wrote:
Factual testing is now a once run limited study, done by engineers and not physicists?...


If you understood the difference between an engineer and a physicist, you would understand that testing of this nature should be done by engineers, not physicists.

btw, how in the hell did screamers come up in a conversation about peak bagging?!

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By divnamite
From New York, NY
Feb 29, 2012
History of this thread:

Nathan: wants to know what people carry for peak bagging
Replies: your gear selection is gay
More replies: peak bagging is gay
Jeff: introduces his ice climbing gear including screamer
superkick: screamer is gay
cms: screamer isn't gay
superkick: yes, it's gay, and you are gay
cms: screamer isn't gay and you are gay
you: why is this thread so gay?

I think we are at level 4 of the internet argument chart.


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By cms829
Feb 29, 2012
high e
I think you need a dictionary. And the reason I keep responding is because you continue to AMAZE me, plus Im bored at work.

I am replying right now to clarify what you think is a contradiction.

Used to own screamers. Sold them along with my ice rack when surgeries forced me to stop climbing. Now...guess what....I climb again!! And guess what else? I havent had the need for a screamer yet since I began climbing again. But guess what else little buddy....Im going to buy some...only if thats ok with you though. I wouldnt want to hurt your feelings.

MORON...get yourself a dictionary and look it up.

and crag dweller. apparently the original poster likes to use them on shady picket and screw placements on alpine ice...which isnt a horrible idea I guess in certain instances. Who knows.

And diva...Thats awesome. PS...those screws are terrific. Im still not sure if I like the Petzl's better or not yet though. Put up a new WI4 route this past Saturday in the central dacks.

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By Crag Dweller
From New York, NY
Feb 29, 2012
My navigator keeps me from getting lost
cms829 wrote:
...and crag dweller. apparently the original poster likes to use them on shady picket and screw placements on alpine ice...which isnt a horrible idea I guess in certain instances....


ah, i see. i was confused because my definition of peak bagging doesn't require protection. nor does it require any climbing skills for that matter.

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By cms829
Feb 29, 2012
high e
Crag Dweller wrote:
ah, i see. i was confused because my definition of peak bagging doesn't require protection. nor does it require any climbing skills for that matter.

Yea Im not 100% sure but the picture he posted utilizing screamers was an AI route. I think this discussion belongs in the Ice section...or in the garbage. Most likely the latter.

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By superkick
From West Hartford, CT
Feb 29, 2012
Free Solo up hitchcock gully WI3
aw nw youre calling me a MORON =/ had to resort to petty insults in yur fight to champion screamers...

Diva I guess cms wants to achieve level 5.

tis a sad sad day.

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By cms829
Feb 29, 2012
high e
I beleive it was someone with your username who claimed that I used screamers due to my lack of confidence and also stated that something I said was one of the dumbest things you ever heard. Clearly calling you a moron was overdue. And now that apparently you have pushed me to stoop to your level....I will graciously bow out of this conversation. In this instance, your right. I cant beleive I let you piss me off enough to the point where I snapped. Unfortunately I am the one that will come out of this with a lesson learned. Lesson being to not let people like you get under my skin. And to stop replying when I first felt the urge to do so. I guess this is precisely why someone took the time to make the picture posted above. Now make me a sammich

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By superkick
From West Hartford, CT
Feb 29, 2012
Free Solo up hitchcock gully WI3
well since you admit you snapped, and I got under your skin...

me 1 you 0

interweb battle victory!

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By Robbie Mackley
From Tucson, AZ
Jun 8, 2012
Me and Holden at the "Matterhorn"
Doug Hemken wrote:
I like to do my peak-bagging in the Mojave, in Winter. I generally carry a windbreaker, lunch, and a camera. Oh, my 8 essentials kit goes in there, too.

+11
2 for the gear (breaker and lunch)
2 for the essentials
7 for the camera

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