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By Chris S
Jul 17, 2013

Hey, I just noticed a post deleted for for violating Rule #1. What is Rule #1, what are the Rules for posting, and where are those Rules located? I can't find the answer to any of this after a decent search.


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By JonnyGreenlee
From Evergreen, CO
Jul 17, 2013
Delicate Arch, Sturdy Arch.

Rule #1 is that you don't talk about Rule #1....



Chris S wrote:
Hey, I just noticed a post deleted for for violating Rule #1. What is Rule #1, what are the Rules for posting, and where are those Rules located? I can't find the answer to any of this after a decent search.


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By Greg D
From Here
Jul 17, 2013
Out of the blue.  Photo by Mike W. <br />

There is no rule #1. There is however a guideline #1: don't be a jerk.

What exactly does that mean? Who knows. What may seem like a silly joke or a little sarcasm to one, may totally butt hurt someone else because they are a Sally. I have have seen small stuff get deleted and total trash left untouched. Use your judgment and try to keep these forums constructive. Some humor is good, too.

Note: i throw a little sarcasm in here and there. Some might think I'm bring a jerk. Others don't give a rat's ass.


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By Ellenore Zimmerman
Jul 17, 2013
me

It depends on who you are...


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By mcarizona
From Flag
Jul 17, 2013

I think its like this, if you are acting like a jerk and dont know it, you're a jerk. If you are acting like a jerk and know it, you are a cock/cunt.

Steve


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By Ellenore Zimmerman
Jul 17, 2013
me

mcarizona wrote:
I think its like this, if you are acting like a jerk and dont know it, you're a jerk. If you are acting like a jerk and know it, you are a cock/cunt. Steve

Im offended...


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By mcarizona
From Flag
Jul 17, 2013

Oh yeah, me too I meant don't with an apostrophe


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By Mike
From Phoenix
Jul 17, 2013
Doing the jump-across off The Mace.  I never get tired of this climb.  Photo by Wednesday Hugus.

mcarizona wrote:
I think its like this, if you are acting like a jerk and dont know it, you're a jerk. If you are acting like a jerk and know it, you are a cock/cunt. Steve


craghead wrote:
Im offended...


Well if the shoe fits...


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By Ellenore Zimmerman
Jul 17, 2013
me

Mike wrote:
Well if the shoe fits...

No it doesn't. I would rather be called 'a bad ass bitch'


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By s.price
From PS,CO
Jul 17, 2013
 Morning Dew ,self portrait

Greg D wrote:
There is no rule #1. There is however a guideline #1: don't be a jerk. What exactly does that mean? Who knows. I have have seen small stuff get deleted and total trash left untouched. Use your judgment and try to keep these forums constructive. Some humor is good, too.


Well put. I have had posts deleted I felt were pretty mild relative to some of what I have read here. The mods do the best they can.

I don't imagine it is much fun deleting the posts of others. Well, some times it probably is.


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By Charles Vernon
From Tucson, AZ
Jul 17, 2013

Guideline number one is "don't be a jerk."

RULE number one is that you must check mountainproject every day.


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By 20 kN
From Hawaii
Jul 18, 2013

It is worthwhile to keep the extreme trolling and shit talking out. Consider Rockclimbing.com, once many times larger than MP.com, now an empty waste land that best resembles the aftermath of a nuclear attack. So many people talked shit there than everyone left and now the site is empty.


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By MJMobes
From The land of steady habits
Jul 18, 2013
modern man

20 kN wrote:
It is worthwhile to keep the extreme trolling and shit talking out. Consider Rockclimbing.com, once many times larger than MP.com, now an empty waste land that best resembles the aftermath of a nuclear attack. So many people talked shit there than everyone left and now the site is empty.


I disagree, I checked in on that site probably 20 times in the past 10-15 years and basically it hurt my eyes looking at the poor layout and it had a terrible route database design as well. Trolls dont matter a bit if you arent always in the forums wasting time.


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By Jon Zucco
From Denver, CO
Jul 18, 2013
yaak crack Red Rock Canyon, NV

I am definitely guilty of being a jerk sometimes. But for the most part, I am just trying to kill time before I get out into the mountains again and try to be at least somewhat constructive every once in a while. But really, if you're going to have a forum, there will be trolls. Especially in such a macho, alpha-monkey sport like ours.

It would be nice though if every single damn thread didn't devolve into some kind of crazy internet spray fest.


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By NC Rock Climber
From The Oven, AKA Phoenix
Jul 18, 2013
tanuki

Unfortunately, the site ownership has decided to let posters like "yarp," that POS "elleanore," "turd" and a dozen or so others (their number is unfortunately growing every day) run wild and incessantly post intentionally inflammatory BS. Management / Mods have decided to randomly delete some questionable stuff while letting a ton of "worse" post stay. Guideline #1 was a cool idea. Under these conditions, it doesn't mean much. To me, it is sad to see the direction MP.com is moving. This forum was awesome 3 years ago. Today, MP.com resembles RC.com while it was in the process of disintegrating.


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By Boissal
From Small Lake, UT
Jul 18, 2013

NC Rock Climber wrote:
Unfortunately, the site ownership has decided to let posters like "yarp," that POS "elleanore," "turd" and a dozen or so others (their number is unfortunately growing every day) run wild and incessantly post intentionally inflammatory BS. Management / Mods have decided to randomly delete some questionable stuff while letting a ton of "worse" post stay. Guideline #1 was a cool idea. Under these conditions, it doesn't mean much. To me, it is sad to see the direction MP.com is moving. This forum was awesome 3 years ago. Today, MP.com resembles RC.com while it was in the process of disintegrating.

Boooooooooo hoooooooooooo things are changing and I don't like it, why isn't my internet the same as in 1998 when I could agree with other gentle souls in Yahoo newsgroups...

The value of MP is in the database, not the forum. The forum should die and only the comments remain. How many good threads would be needed to offset the mounds of drivels written about the tensile strength of ropes dipped in jizz or about gear left behind during the last Sharknado event? Way too many.


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By Ellenore Zimmerman
Jul 18, 2013
me

How would we get climbing humor without forums then ????


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By Leo Paik
Administrator
From Westminster, Colorado
Jul 18, 2013

Chris, there really aren't any fixed rules, per se. As you see when you post to the forums and most things on the website, you'll see:

Guideline #1: don't be a jerk

We admins are climbers who volunteered to try to make this website work. Sure, there's borderline stuff (to some) that gets deleted and stuff that is worse (to others) that doesn't get deleted. A few reasons for this include: we don't read every post, every comment, etc.; we get feedback about the moderation applied; we'd probably much rather climb than moderate; we're volunteers; and we're human. The threshold for deletion/censorship is a moving target for sure. To some extent, items that get flagged (see the flag icon to the right of each forum post/comment) by users like you come to our attention to consider moderation.

We climbers who volunteered to admin this site want to keep it as useful a resource as possible for all (or at least most) of us. It won't ever be perfect, but its utility is cited regularly by ordinary folks like you and me.

So, if you aren't sure what "don't be a jerk" means, think about what if you were posting and your mother, father, favorite aunt or uncle, or even your child might be the object of your post...and ask yourself if you could look yourself in the mirror and like the person who just posted whatever you are about to post.

Thanks to all you out there who try to make this website a positive and useful site for all.


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By Mike McKinnon
From Golden, CO
Jul 18, 2013
Bunny pancake

Boissal wrote:
Boooooooooo hoooooooooooo things are changing and I don't like it, why isn't my internet the same as in 1998 when I could agree with other gentle souls in Yahoo newsgroups... The value of MP is in the database, not the forum. The forum should die and only the comments remain. How many good threads would be needed to offset the mounds of drivels written about the tensile strength of ropes dipped in jizz or about gear left behind during the last Sharknado event? Way too many.


And there it is. I was wondering when the first Sharknado reference would come!

Well done sire!


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By Chris S
Jul 20, 2013

Thanks Leo - while I have been a jerk, intentionally and unintentionally, I wasn't considering intentionally being a jerk. I am quite confident that I can tell when I'm being a jerk though. I had noticed that [b]all[/b] of Turd's comments had been deleted for violating Rule #1, which got me wondering.

Leo Paik wrote:
Chris, there really aren't any fixed rules, per se. As you see when you post to the forums and most things on the website, you'll see: Guideline #1: don't be a jerk We admins are climbers who volunteered to try to make this website work. Sure, there's borderline stuff (to some) that gets deleted and stuff that is worse (to others) that doesn't get deleted. A few reasons for this include: we don't read every post, every comment, etc.; we get feedback about the moderation applied; we'd probably much rather climb than moderate; we're volunteers; and we're human. The threshold for deletion/censorship is a moving target for sure. To some extent, items that get flagged (see the flag icon to the right of each forum post/comment) by users like you come to our attention to consider moderation. We climbers who volunteered to admin this site want to keep it as useful a resource as possible for all (or at least most) of us. It won't ever be perfect, but its utility is cited regularly by ordinary folks like you and me. So, if you aren't sure what "don't be a jerk" means, think about what if you were posting and your mother, father, favorite aunt or uncle, or even your child might be the object of your post...and ask yourself if you could look yourself in the mirror and like the person who just posted whatever you are about to post. Thanks to all you out there who try to make this website a positive and useful site for all.


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By Antoine Savelli
From Ophir, CO
Jul 25, 2013

Just added 3 new routes on the lower East Buttress of the Ophir Wall in Southwestern Colorado each 2 pitches sport July 2013 (slightly East and upwards of the Jungly Gym). It's an arduous 7 minute approach from our house unlike the Jungle Gym (3 minutes). But what can I say !!!.

CORSICAN ACCIDENT: 8c+ 9a/5.14 d, 5.15a second pitch top crux (not using right crack dead center under crux bolts). Option of using right crack variation 5.11 (bring small to medium tcu's for crack). The first pitch is only 5.10d, 11a.

COSA NOSTRA: 8b+/5.14 c second pitch. First pitch 5.11a move, fun. The second pitch goes to the the Treasure Island, before ending on golden granite.

YELLOW JERSEY: 6c/5.11 c second pitch, airy. First pitch 5.8 move.

Gear: 12 draws for all routes


Also reporting a new route never mentioned in Bloomberg's guidebook: SAVELLI CRACK that I put up with my wife in May 1999 in Indian Creek on the Spercrack Buttress (between Coyne Crack and Keyhole Flakes): a thin rightward corner turning to a leftward corner). I originally graded it 8a / 5.13 a,b. First, an easy move off the ground to an optional # 5 camalot placement leading to the meat of the route. 20-25 meters long.

Gear: Small to the tiniest tcus. I took a 50 ft. lead fall in mid May 2013 repeating my route as I was about to clip be the anchors, unzipping several pieces!! This is C3 (top) with cams, I highly recommend ROLLERS for this one. A scar is visible from my piece pulling out under anchors.


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By verksand
Nov 16, 2013

Nicely done Antoine ! In every way really...
His post shows, intentionally or not, that hell is everybody else but us...
This post seems out place...but is it ?

Was it sarcasm or just the right post at the wrong place....

Or was he just being a jerk ? Who's to say ? Everybody could be right about answer...or wrong for that matter.


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By Jon Zucco
From Denver, CO
Nov 16, 2013
yaak crack Red Rock Canyon, NV

This post violated Rule #1. It has been removed by Mountain Project.


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