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Virga 

YDS: 5.13c/d French: 8b Ewbanks: 31 UIAA: X ZA: 31 British: E8 7a

   
Type:  Sport, 60'
Consensus:  YDS: 5.13c/d French: 8b Ewbanks: 31 UIAA: X ZA: 31 British: E8 7a [details]
FA: Piana
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Submitted By: Tom Rangitsch on Aug 30, 2008

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Description 

Start right of the Killer start. Virga ascendes a line of pockets starting out of an overlap pretty far off the ground (it requires an A0 start). Sequential reaches to good pockets.


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By Jeremy Noring
From: Salt Lake City, Utah
May 30, 2014

Matt Lund had the FA on this route, not Paul Piana. He onsighted it as well, if memory serves.

By Tom Rangitsch
From: Lander, WY
Jun 24, 2014

This was a closed project of Piana, if memory serves. Just because someone stole the first repoint, and so amazingly on sighted it (wow, 5.13d, that almost never happens!), does not make it their route.

By Jeremy Noring
From: Salt Lake City, Utah
Jul 28, 2014

Matt's argument was that it had been "closed" for years, if memory serves. I find the "stole the first redpoint" claim somewhat questionable given that consideration. There's got to be some unwritten statute of limitations on a red tag; otherwise the actual theft is from the climbing community as a whole.

Also, the most recent guidebook of Sinks lists Matt as having the FA on this route, as well as Smoke Shapes.