Velvet Hammer 

Ian's calling this one "Velvet Hammer" it seems.

Name changed, thanks Steve.

confused... pictures, vid?

sweaty, it starts on the rail with a super high heel and crosses up and left. saw video last night and its actually pretty cool. i'll see if ian will post it.

tell this ian character that we post everything here. even fails so that others can laugh at you or steal your poor beta. He must learn the lessons of the 'Land of Gnar'

Is this even a new problem? Seams like alternative beta to Alpine club.

Definitely a new problem. Only common hold of the two problems is the start hold.

I'll be the judge of that. Report back tonight. :)

Yeah new problem, no doubt about it. Amazing that it can go. That next hold is so far away...

That hold looks far standing on the ground, and even further when on the start hold.

I realized that technically I have done this. I started alpine club, did the move the old fashion way, came in right hand into the good crimp and traversed out left at the lip. I started and ended in the same place. SAME BOULDER.

Huh? That's not a very good argument. So two problems start on the same starting hold. They go in totally opposite directions using different holds. Once you reach the lip you can traverse inbetween the two different topouts. So they are considered the same problem?

Please read..

www.b3bouldering.com/2010/07/14/defining-a-boulder-problem/

It is actually a good argument.

So if I did not do what he did is it another problem? Alpine Club with a left hand finish... I did not use 2 of the holds that he did..

I believe the argument is valid when we are talking about a larger space or distance between each contrivance but we are talking about maybe a "body width"?

I guess it could go either way but what Jamie types under The Finish about the difference between "The Centaur" and "Marble Sit" actually supports a separate problem.

Okay Nic. I have to defend this problem because it is actually really cool. You only used the starting hold. That is it. There are 7 other holds on the problem as well. It is a different line. The cross move is bad ass too! Super fun and much easier for me than Alpine Club. You are correct when saying it is the same boulder, I will give you that much.

Footage of the FA in our new film Midwest Unknown

Yeah, definitely a new and totally different line than AC. Really, really fun movement, too.