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By Christopher Gagne
From Dover
May 1, 2011
me on into another world pawtuckaway

Sometime yesterday, someone or group of people took it upon themselves to deface the Hillside (aka Summit Boulder Area), to the right of Black Fly. Unfortunately I don't have photos of the damage but there's a nice new large hot pink tag on the base of the crag.

Also over at Round Pond someone took it upon themselves to cut the two trees at the base of The Whip, leave two stumps for climbers to impale themselves on if they bail off it or fall... Not sure when this happened but as far as I know and have been told no trees with in the park can be cut down unless it's in danger of falling and hurting someone...


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By john strand
From southern colo
May 1, 2011

Springtime in NE- must be time to cut some trees down, assholes


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By T.Dailey
From Avon
May 1, 2011
Morning #1 of 25

Watch Out for those New Hampshire gangs Chris, there dangerous! Wicked Bummer, P-way has always been so pristine...what is this Lincoln Woods jeeesh.
-Tim


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By Lanky
From Portland, ME
May 2, 2011

Yeah. I was out on Saturday and saw those stumps. WTFuck? I can only assume some idiot thought it would be funny to leave backbreaking stumps for folks to fall on. Assholes.

Also (and this is still pissing me off), we walked past just after the spray paint had been laid down. We smelled the aerosol and heard two dudes shouting up above the boulders. My buddy hoofed it back towards round pond and shouted at 'em, asking if they were tagging. They denied it, but it was pretty fucking obviously them, and then the legged it off into the woods. We called the cops, but they said there's nothing they can do if we didn't catch the shits in the act.


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By Christopher Gagne
From Dover
May 2, 2011
me on into another world pawtuckaway

Yeah it does suck, but this isn't the first of the wrong doings that have been taking place at Pawtuckaway in the past couple of years... It seems that sometime last year cars of hikers and climbers have been broken into by locals or people visiting the area... I found this out after being pulled over, on Reservation Rd, this past fall after a night of climbing at Round Pond. The cop was cool and explained what he was doing after I've told him what I was doing out there so late and that I haven't seen the police or the park service out in the park in the 6 years that I've been climbing at Pawtuckaway...

John, the state is doing logging out by the horse farm off of Deerfield Rd and along the fire road leading into the park but not out in the park (where we climb) as of yet, the same goes for the road heading into fundy cove at Blair woods... Not sure who did this State Park Officials or climbers that didn't want people to use the tree as a means to bail off The Whip, either way they made things worse by doing so...


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By john strand
From southern colo
May 2, 2011

Chris- I liked using those trees to bail off the Whip. It must be a nasty-ass fall now.


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By Christopher Gagne
From Dover
May 2, 2011
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Julian, Did these guys have a rope with them by chance, orange in color??? If so I saw the same two guys, I was guiding a group of Boy Scouts out on Lower Slab.

I walked by that part of park the three times that morning once at 715, 830 and 930 or so and the rock was clean.. Left the park around 330-4ish and saw it...

Yeah it does suck on all fronts...



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By Christopher Gagne
From Dover
May 2, 2011
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john strand wrote:
Chris- I liked using those trees to bail off the Whip. It must be a nasty-ass fall now.



Your not the only one... I heard a few stories of people breaking their legs or spraining their ankles pretty bad falling or jumping off The Whip...


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By Bill Dietrich
From Manchester, New Hampshire
May 2, 2011

This is extremely disappointing. Just an FYI on something else to look out for. We were out there on saturday and at the round pond boulders we found a crap load of metal air cylinders. Like the kind you'd use for a pellet gun except with the amount that we found we're guessing that there nitrous. Also found a large amount of them near Italian Stallion (lakeside crag?) We picked up as many as we could find but I'd imagine there are more piles of the cylinders out there. Its a real shame. How hard is it to remove spray paint? I'd put in some scrub time if someone knows of a good way to do it without harming the rock.


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By Christopher Gagne
From Dover
May 2, 2011
me on into another world pawtuckaway

I'm looking into it right now at work on what's the easiest and safety way to remove spary paint from Granite... Myself and another friend are looking to get out there to try and remove it this week or next...

I'll keep you posted...


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By Andy Librande
From Denver, CO
May 2, 2011
Me in the Buddha Cave at crumblewood a while ago.

JulianM wrote:
We called the cops, but they said there's nothing they can do if we didn't catch the shits in the act.


So with that logic you could have beat them down and as long as no one saw it you would be free and clear!


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By Dan Petty
From Colorado Springs, CO
May 2, 2011
Overlooking Roanoke, VA after completing the Blue Ridge Marathon the previous day.

Andy Librande wrote:
So with that logic you could have beat them down and as long as no one saw it you would be free and clear!


Only if the people you are beating up don't catch you in the act of beating them...


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By Ice4life
From SLC, UT
May 2, 2011
GYM

Andy Librande wrote:
So with that logic you could have beat them down and as long as no one saw it you would be free and clear!


If a .45 goes off in the woods, and there's no one around to hear or see it, did it really happen? Just remember to dig out the slugs when your done. Don't want any troopers knocking on your door, now do you?

Will paint thinner work with a light thistle brush? How big is this tag? Why would anyone walk out of their way to tag a rock? Is it the new cool thing to do? I saw a campsite in sespe,CA with tons of tagging around, and I said to myself, who the hell would hike in 6 miles to tag an old building? WTF, I was just baffled...


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By cjdrover
From Somerville, MA
May 2, 2011
Taken at MWV Icefest 2014.

Christopher Gagne wrote:
I'm looking into it right now at work on what's the easiest and safety way to remove spary paint from Granite... Myself and another friend are looking to get out there to try and remove it this week or next... I'll keep you posted...


I'm not sure DIY removal is the best approach, for a few reasons. The area we are talking about is a protected environment, and fragile wetlands and ponds are pretty much in all directions. Scrubbing it down with toluene might make it look nice, but where is all that solvent and scrubbed paint going to end up?

I think the best approach is to contact the state park itself and report the incident, and that we are interested in helping the park to take care of the damage because we love the place. They may already have a plan/budget in place for things like this. Ultimately it is probably a job best done by professionals with access to biodegradable solvents, specialized washers, and cleanup equipment so the stuff doesn't end up in the soil. If the park doesn't have budget, it would be a perfect opportunity to demonstrate that climbers are good stewards by doing a little fundraising to pay for the cleanup. Alternatively, the park may just say go ahead and scrub it off, in which case a cleanup day can be organized.

Contact info:

Division of Parks and Recreation
172 Pembroke Road
P.O. Box 1856
Concord, NH 03302-1856
E: nhparks@dred.state.nh.us
T: (603) 271-3556
F: (603) 271-3553


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By Christopher Gagne
From Dover
May 2, 2011
me on into another world pawtuckaway

Yeah Paint thinner or Denatured alcohol with a brush with work... Myself and another friend of mine are looking to get out there, like said this week or next to remove it... If anyone is interested in helping with running water and throwing in a little elbow grease send me a personal message...

This week/weekend is looking wet so probably next week or weekend...

As for the size of the tag probably 8' to 10' wide and 4' to 6' tall... It's big and bright enough that you can't miss it...


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By Christopher Gagne
From Dover
May 2, 2011
me on into another world pawtuckaway

send Division of parks and Recreation an email and seeing what they want to do...


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By Lanky
From Portland, ME
May 2, 2011

Christopher Gagne wrote:
Julian, Did these guys have a rope with them by chance, orange in color??? If so I saw the same two guys, I was guiding a group of Boy Scouts out on Lower Slab.


Doubt it. I really don't think they (taggers) were climbers, but I didn't actually lay eyes on either of them.

Andy Librande wrote:
So with that logic you could have beat them down and as long as no one saw it you would be free and clear!


I'm not a big fan of extra-judicial beatings, nor am I much capable of handing one out. I'm kind of a sissy.


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By Christopher Gagne
From Dover
May 2, 2011
me on into another world pawtuckaway

JulianM wrote:
Doubt it. I really don't think they (taggers) were climbers, but I didn't actually lay eyes on either of them. I'm not a big fan of extra-judicial beatings, nor am I much capable of handing one out. I'm kind of a sissy.



All in all I don't think we as climbers should lower ourselves to that level... Scare the hell out of them if we see them try something like sure throw a beating in no...

It's a shame that his has happened but beating someone up isn't going to prove anything or solve the problem

Figured I ask Julain, thanks...

Still waiting to hear from the Division of Parks and Rec... Also still looking into an Eco Friendly DIY cleaner, just in case they turn into a dead end...


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By Adam Kimmerly
May 2, 2011

Christopher Gagne wrote:
All in all I don't think we as climbers should lower ourselves to that level... Scare the hell out of them if we see them try something like sure throw a beating in no... It's a shame that his has happened but beating someone up isn't going to prove anything or solve the problem Figured I ask Julain, thanks... Still waiting to hear from the Division of Parks and Rec... Also still looking into an Eco Friendly DIY cleaner, just in case they turn into a dead end...


I've done a good amount of graffiti cleanup in San Diego on Granite boulders. The best thing I've found is a product called "Taginator". www.taginator.com/nnewsite/taginator.htm It's not cheap, but it's biodegradable (don't confuse that with meaning it's good to get on your skin or in your eyes!) and it works.

You spray the stuff on, let it stand for 5-20 minutes, then rinse with water. A pressure washer will work best, but if you don't have access to one, get a little elbow grease behind it with a scrub brush and use one of those little hand-pump pesticide sprayers to rinse.

Parks (out here, at least) just paint over with rock-colored paint. If the graffiti is on a route/problem, it'll ruin it.

Here's a short video of a recent cleanup a bunch of us did at a local crag.


The sooner you get to it, the easier it will come off. Paint that gets baked on by the sun seems to take a bit more effort to remove.

Good luck with your cleanup!

Adam


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By john strand
From southern colo
May 2, 2011

I will be back in NH next month, more than happy to apply some "education" to the perps.

Travelin' Johnies Rehab Van- I promise they won't do it again


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By Christopher Gagne
From Dover
May 3, 2011
me on into another world pawtuckaway

Adam thanks for the heads up on the cleaner, good to know for future reference...

Also just heard back from NH Division of Parks and Rec, they passed word onto the Pawtuckaway State Park manger, regional supervisor and park operations supervisor... Hopefully in a couple of days they'll get back to me what the game plan is...

I also told them that we would be more then willing to help out with clean up if they need it... I know Bill you offered to help, if anyone else is willing drop me a message. I know we didn't do the damage but at least we can show the state that we're more then willing to help correct the wrong of a few...

I'll keep everyone posted on what happens with this...


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By Lanky
From Portland, ME
May 3, 2011

Thanks for all that, Chris.


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By Eli Buzzell
From Traveling with AmeriCorps
May 6, 2011
somewhere in the whites

Next time I walk out to round pond I'll take a saw and slice those deathspikes down enough so that they don't kill anyone.


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By Christopher Gagne
From Dover
May 6, 2011
me on into another world pawtuckaway

Eli Buzzell wrote:
Next time I walk out to round pond I'll take a saw and slice those deathspikes down enough so that they don't kill anyone.



Eli,
Don't cut anything until I hear from the State... They're pissed as it is and I don't want to piss them off anymore...


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By Eli Buzzell
From Traveling with AmeriCorps
May 7, 2011
somewhere in the whites

Sucks, Some other climbers told me that it might have been the state that did it... obviously not. Tell me when and I'll go take care of the business.


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By Christopher Gagne
From Dover
May 14, 2011
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I have a question for anyone that's climbed at P-way this year does anyone know of anyone that might have done some filming (photo/video) in the Park this winter/spring...

I was out in the Park yesterday and went over to the whip to scope the damage out with a friend/veteran climber and the only conclusion we could come up with for the trees be cut was for filming reasons, which is lame...

Eli, if the state cut the trees down they wouldn't have used a hand saw...

Unfortunately I think the trees were a climber related vandalism... I hate to say this... But it seems to be a trend out at Round Pond a couple of years ago someone added two new bolts to the top of The Whip and The Cream Boulder (which already have bolts that are sound and can be backed up with gear, these have since been removed) so there friend could TR the route...

Still waiting to hear from the Park/State, I know they have been out and about in the park putting new signs up but nothing has been done about the trees or painting...


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