By Boissal From Small Lake, UT Aug 29, 2011
| Shiho wrote: we should handle the situation diplomatically Internet wildfires are the hardest to control... I have a feeling this is now way out of your (our) hands. |  FLAG |
By Austin Baird From SLC, Utah Aug 29, 2011
| I just got this response from Greg "Austin, Thanks, the guy who wrote on the rock is NOT me, and I was not aware of the writing until after...he was notified as such and is apologetic...trust me, I wasn't happy. Thanks. Greg." Sounds like Eric is the responsible one. I'm always willing to give people the benefit of the doubt so I'll buy what Greg says unless Eric contradicts him. |  FLAG |
By ccerling From Platteville, WI Aug 29, 2011
| This is now my new favorite thread to read. |  FLAG |
By Robert Buswold From Longmont, CO Aug 29, 2011
| Austin Baird wrote: I just got this response from Greg "Austin, Thanks, the guy who wrote on the rock is NOT me, and I was not aware of the writing until after...he was notified as such and is apologetic...trust me, I wasn't happy. Thanks. Greg." Sounds like Eric is the responsible one. I'm always willing to give people the benefit of the doubt so I'll buy what Greg says unless Eric contradicts him. The problem with this is that there is another picture of BOTH of them next to a rock that (I'm guessing) they marked up with "11,251" on it. Sounds a little fishy to me. |  FLAG |
By Josh Kornish Aug 29, 2011
| ccerling wrote: This is now my new favorite thread to read. It's up there with the Craigslist post |  FLAG |
By dorseyec Aug 29, 2011
| haha now he is just trying to pin it on his buddy? Sounds like a real winner... |  FLAG |
By Keese Lane Aug 29, 2011
| So first off calling these guys out is hilarious but probably not the best way to handle this in the future. Between all the people on MP who saw this, the people on Alpinist Facebook (is it on supertopo yet?) those guys are probably thinking that it is raining poo. I would just suggest that next time whoever snaps the photo sends a couple messages on facebook before they post the photo. If they get an apology back and the guys fix it no harm done and the photog can post an edited picture(last names blurred maybe). If the guys are jerks, well then... |  FLAG |
By dorseyec Aug 29, 2011
| Keese Lane wrote: If the guys are jerks, well then... They obviously thought it was okay to leave graffiti on top of Lone Peak which kinda makes them a jerk right off the bat... So I wouldn't feel too bad if their inbox gets flooded with messages. |  FLAG |
By Tyson Anderson From Las Vegas, NV Aug 29, 2011
| Keese Lane wrote: So first off calling these guys out is hilarious but probably not the best way to handle this in the future. Between all the people on MP who saw this, the people on Alpinist Facebook (is it on supertopo yet?) those guys are probably thinking that it is raining poo. I would just suggest that next time whoever snaps the photo sends a couple messages on facebook before they post the photo. If they get an apology back and the guys fix it no harm done and the photog can post an edited picture(last names blurred maybe). If the guys are jerks, well then... NO WAY! We all hate it when people graffiti up our rocks but they are usually cryptic gang signs, first names, etc. and we can't trace it back to them. These guys were dumb enough to graffiti up our granite and leave their first and last names so that anybody that has ever used a search engine could trace the misdeed back to them. Such stupidity should not go unpunished. All that pent up anger has to go somewhere. A public shaming is in full order, it's not like they didn't write their names down in public anyways. |  FLAG |
By Brad Brandewie Aug 29, 2011
| RockinOut wrote: Email sent, along with a link to the photo listed on here and the one on his Facebook page showing the other marked rock with them pointing to it and twitter message, that puts them at that location. With a few emails from conceded people I`m sure they will take notice This is a bad idea. We do not want to point out that some of us are acting with poor judgement to the local management. A better option is to contact the people responsible and ask them to remove it. No one was killed here. We should be able to handle this ourselves. You could just put the word out that someone might want to bring a brush and some appropriate cleaner if they're heading up there. Brad |  FLAG |
By dirtbag From Bellingham, WA Aug 29, 2011
| Hey Greg, if your reading this and dismissed my FB msg - I'm writing you because I think you could use some friendly, constructive criticism regarding ethics in the out of doors. This is in response to a picture I viewed of your impromptu summit register on lone peak. Leave no trace (aka LNT) is a concept you may not be familiar with. Read about it here: www.lnt.org/ Also, the Access Fund is an organization that fights to keep areas like lone peak available for the public's enjoyment. Join and donate the Access Fund to restore your outdoor karma: www.accessfund.org/site/c.tmL5KhNWLrH/b.4861253/k.BDBB/Home.>>> Finally, I feel inclined to mention that how you handle the outdoor community's response to your vandalism will be a great indicator of your character. Good luck. Everyone f's up sometimes. Braden |  FLAG |
By Abram Herman From Golden, CO Aug 29, 2011
| I love this thread. Please keep us updated if you get any response! And if it's anything less than the perpetrators themselves going up to clean the graffiti, I'd agree that the "management" should get involved. |  FLAG |
By Phil Lauffen From Louyuppie Aug 29, 2011
| Abram Herman wrote: I love this thread. Please keep us updated if you get any response! And if it's anything less than the perpetrators themselves going up to clean the graffiti, I'd agree that the "management" should get involved. Disagree. Why can't we as users police ourselves? There seems to be a lot of "tattling" occurring here, which imo is super lame. Why would we give managers any more ammo to use against us in access issues? |  FLAG |
By Bob Robinson From Lone Tree, Colorado Aug 29, 2011
| Phil Lauffen wrote: Disagree. Why can't we as users police ourselves? There seems to be a lot of "tattling" occurring here, which imo is super lame. Why would we give managers any more ammo to use against us in access issues? I'm confused... a community of climbers reporting an abuse of a public resource to the authorities responsible for the vandalized area is wrong? It actually sounds like exactly the right thing to do, you know, in a 6th grade, common sense civics lesson kind of way... |  FLAG |
By Phil Lauffen From Louyuppie Aug 29, 2011
| Bob Robinson wrote: I'm confused... a community of climbers reporting an abuse of a public resource to the authorities responsible for the vandalized area is wrong? It actually sounds like exactly the right thing to do, you know, in a 6th grade, common sense civics lesson kind of way... Right... are we sixth graders? Reporting a matter that could be handled internally by the user group seems like a mistake. |  FLAG |
By Brad Brandewie Aug 29, 2011
| Bob Robinson wrote: I'm confused... a community of climbers reporting an abuse of a public resource to the authorities responsible for the vandalized area is wrong? From an access standpoint, yes it is the wrong move for such a minor incident. |  FLAG |
By kBobby From Spokane, WA Aug 29, 2011
| Brad Brandewie wrote: From an access standpoint, yes it is the wrong move for such a minor incident. You think that the Forest Service is going to restrict climbing in this area because climbers tattle-tale on hikers? Interesting. |  FLAG |
By G Traub From Salt Lake City Aug 29, 2011
| This is not an access issue. Access will not be restricted because a few idiots tagged Lone Peak. This is about doing the right thing and allowing, or forcing those responsible to go back and clean up after themselves. Maybe they can "tweet" about it. |  FLAG |
By Scott U Aug 29, 2011
| Brad Brandewie wrote: This is a bad idea. We do not want to point out that some of us are acting with poor judgement to the local management. A better option is to contact the people responsible and ask them to remove it. No one was killed here. We should be able to handle this ourselves. You could just put the word out that someone might want to bring a brush and some appropriate cleaner if they're heading up there. Brad I disagree. If the powers that be realize that there are many outdoor enthusiasts who do not accept this, they will be more understanding when a couple of d-bags tag the rock. |  FLAG |
By Abram Herman From Golden, CO Aug 30, 2011
| Phil Lauffen wrote: Disagree. Why can't we as users police ourselves? There seems to be a lot of "tattling" occurring here, which imo is super lame. Why would we give managers any more ammo to use against us in access issues? I agree that we can police ourselves to a large extent (although I wouldn't include these guys in "ourselves"), which is why I suggested managers should get involved only if the offending party refuses to clean up after themselves. If they don't though, you're saying someone else should go clean up their mess, and that will solve the problem? That's like cleaning up after your kid draws all over the living room walls without telling him not to do it again. These guys need to be held responsible, and if they won't take responsibility they need to be made to. And I completely agree with other commenters, climbers pursuing an access issue like this reflects *well* on our community, not poorly--especially when it wasn't our user group that caused the damage in the first place. |  FLAG |
By Phil Lauffen From Louyuppie Aug 30, 2011
| Abram Herman wrote: I agree that we can police ourselves to a large extent (although I wouldn't include these guys in "ourselves"), which is why I suggested managers should get involved only if the offending party refuses to clean up after themselves. If they don't though, you're saying someone else should go clean up their mess, and that will solve the problem? That's like cleaning up after your kid draws all over the living room walls without telling him not to do it again. These guys need to be held responsible, and if they won't take responsibility they need to be made to. And I completely agree with other commenters, climbers pursuing an access issue like this reflects *well* on our community, not poorly--especially when it wasn't our user group that caused the damage in the first place. Ok... I understand why land managers would be contacted after the turds refused to clean up their mess. But all this preemptive action is not helpful. |  FLAG |
By sam123456789 From c.heights, ut Aug 30, 2011
| Shiho, you may be the coolest person I've ever met. "Unless someone like you cares a whole aweful lot, nothing is going to get better, it's not!" -Sir Lorax. |  FLAG |
By ddriver From SLC Aug 30, 2011
| Phil Lauffen wrote: Ok... I understand why land managers would be contacted after the turds refused to clean up their mess. But all this preemptive action is not helpful. Preemptive action? This is just a message board. If you haven't looked at the facebook pages that were posted previously, maybe you should do so, if they're still up. These are two guys who hiked to the summit of Lone Peak, tagged it, tweeted (really, WTF?), and then of course reported their ascent as a "climb." Yeah, whatever... you FUCKING LOSERS. There is no local organization or individual who is responsible for clueing these guys in. What I would love to see happen is for the USFS ranger and the County sheriff show up at their doors and march their little asses right back up there to clean their mess up. These are the kinds of people who wind up destroying archeological sites and torturing cats. That's what needs to be preempted. I guess an alternative would be to leave a big steaming pile of shit at their front doors. Seems like the least I could do. |  FLAG |
By Phil Lauffen From Louyuppie Aug 30, 2011
| ddriver wrote: Preemptive action? This is just a message board. Ok... but what about the many messages sent to the AUTHORI-TAYS?!
ddriver wrote: If you haven't looked at the facebook pages that were posted previously, maybe you should do so, if they're still up. These are two guys who hiked to the summit of Lone Peak, tagged it, tweeted (really, WTF?), and then of course reported their ascent as a "climb." Yeah, whatever... you FUCKING LOSERS. Good point... I forgot that climbers are automatically better than hikers, always.
ddriver wrote: There is no local organization or individual who is responsible for clueing these guys in. We are, their peers.
ddriver wrote: What I would love to see happen is for the USFS ranger and the County sheriff show up at their doors and march their little asses right back up there to clean their mess up. These are the kinds of people who wind up destroying archeological sites and torturing cats. That's what needs to be preempted. I guess an alternative would be to leave a big steaming pile of shit at their front doors. Seems like the least I could do. These guys are clueless. I think that with a little friendly guidance, and less personal attacks they would wise up and treat the outdoors with the respect it deserves. Shitting on their porch isn't going to stop them from spraying graffiti over cave paintings, its going to teach them that nobody has respect for anything and they can do whatever to whoever. |  FLAG |
By mountainsense Aug 30, 2011
| Alright, folks--there's nothing more to say here... The problem, is resolved. I highly suggest we refrain from any more internet shit-talking; it can only serve to complicate what started out as a rather simple issue, and inviting the climbing community-at-large to take Facebook and Mountainproject pot-shots at these guys ad nauseum is tantamount to middle-school online bullying--do we really think that after the third or fourth nasty message that they'll experience some epiphany and, subsequently, change their entire outlook? And notifying Pleasant Grove? I envy all those out there, the straight-shooters, who pride themselves in always having followed the rules--you all sound like heaps of fun to hang out with... If what a couple of guys you don't even know did offends you so much that you feel it neccessary to keep this up, then, by all means, why not join us in becoming a constructive part of the solution? Meet me at Lone Peak Cirque for our 2nd Annual Labor Day Weekend Clean-up. Disperse a few fire rings in-between routes. Let's share a rope. If there are, indeed, this many people out there who share in my enthusiasm for Wasatch stewardship, then put your money where your mouth is. Walk the walk. I'll see you there. |  FLAG |
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