or what about the thousands of pounds of cow pies... trampled cripto by cows, climbers, and others... a couple of biodegradable balls compared to that... what about shot gun shells, beer bottles, tape at the base of climbs, human feces in the soil, tent impact, or especially camp fires...
Sure maybe it was a stupid thing to do, but you know what at least we were quazi smart about our impact and tried to leave little to no trace.
Like Steve said "Whats a few golf balls compared to the thousands of climbers that frequent this part of the desert."
Not to mention this was 5 years ago, and access wasn't as hot of an issue, i wouldnt do this now, knowing the how touchy impact issues are.
What if that ball careened off some cliff and hit a little hiking girl scout on the head? Probably death or paralysis... trashing the environment and killing girl scouts... you are a monster!
there was no one around that day, no girl scouts, no onle else in the camp ground, the parking lot nothing... and there was no divet notice the small rock tee?
-Monty, just because something biodegrades doesn't mean you should be dumping it in the desert. Lot's of litter in the desert will biodegrade eventually and looks like shit until it does.
-Luke's logic: Other people trash the desert so it is ok for us to trash it as well.
-Richard's logic: If it doesn't kill anyone what's the harm?
-Stevie, people are going to come to the desert and climb whether we post routes or not.
Is it really acceptable to post photos of people littering, thus showing the newcomers that it's ok to litter in the desert if you are creative about it?
I think we can all get along by simply putting an efficient twist on this dilemma. Those who cannot climb without hitting golf balls off the summits should simply lay a fat turd on a rock, then swing their golf clubs at that. I mean, the shit is gonna be out there no matter what. Why not have some fun with it!
C'mon, bitching about bio-degradable golf balls in a desert? What about all the trash you generate each week? That is better because they go and shove it in the ground somewhere you don't have to look at it?
By Andrew Gram Administrator From: Denver, CO Sep 8, 2009
Yes, it is better for trash to go into a landfill than a fragile desert environment.
Do you put your garbage in a can destined for a landfill, or do you chuck it out on your front lawn?
I don't agree with you. I put my garbage in trash cans, and that is why I don't choose to bitch at someone who litters. I don't think its better to put it in a landfill, because while you may be preserving the desert environment, you are being ignorant to the fact that you are creating waste. Maybe if we had to look at our waste, then we wouldn't be so wasteful.
It would take a radical change to live a life without non-bio-degradable waste and is unrealistic to expect it. Also, I enjoy having awesome pristine wilderness areas as much as the next person. So the solution is landfills, and maybe they aren't as bad as a picture of one makes you feel. So, what I wrote five hours ago doesn't agree with the conclusion I've come to. Given our current situation, it is better to put trash in the dumpster rather than on the desert floor. However, I don't think that we can be so smug about our situation (and thus be so high and mighty when it comes to attacking people who litter). We create a lot of waste with our lifestyles, and it isn't OK. However, on the relative scale of negative aspects of a modern lifestyle, it's probably pretty unimportant.
Fun things you can do on the top off Castleton... FOUR!!!! (notice the dog bone on the club used to haul this up the route. soo worth it, best drive EVER!)
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