In addition You could post a route with good and acurate info with out having done it, maybe if you have tried a route, also if you have experience at a grade you should have a pretty good idea of what it would be.
I think you can suggest grades for routes if you are entering them in the database- you have to put something, right? But "you can't downgrade a route you've never tried! (You'd think this would be obvious... :lol:). " -Jordan DeLong
Chris Hill did the FA around 2001 I think he rated it 5.13a but an easier way to do it was found(evidently by way of a drill). It's marked as 5.12c in chock at the start.
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