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Upper Lip 

YDS: 5.7 French: 5a Ewbanks: 15 UIAA: V+ ZA: 13 British: MVS 4b

Type:  Trad, 1 pitch, 70'
Consensus:  YDS: 5.8- French: 5b Ewbanks: 16 UIAA: VI- ZA: 14 British: VS 4c [details]
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Submitted By: Jon Cannon on Jun 5, 2002

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Brian Wandzilak steels his nerves with aluminum.


If you've slogged up either Schooldaze or Jaws, this route is the pay-off. From atop the bathtubs, move up to the horizontal crack which appears to demarcate the turret after which this rock is named. The beginning of the vertical hand crack ascending from this point is slightly overhanging, but the gear and the holds are all bomber. Once the crack starts to peter out after forty or fifty feet, move left to some large blocks which will take you up to the summit.


Large nuts, medium to large hexes, cams to three inches, and a place for a pink tricam near the start of the route.

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By Darin Lang
Jun 5, 2002

"Slightly overhanging" start? I think you're just being coy. The start is actually a small roof that must be negotiated in order to gain the crack proper. This route is indeed a "reward" for slogging up Jaws or Schooldaze - quite fun, if disappointingly short.
By Jon Cannon
Jun 5, 2002

Define "coy", Darin. ;-) Perhaps for those of us with simian arms, it doesn't feel like much of a roof. Now, if only I had simian strength to go with it ...

Seriously, though. I thought I'd read somewhere that to be a true "roof", it has to project from the main wall about six feet. Am I just making up something out of the aether?
By Darin Lang
Jun 5, 2002

Coy: overmodest, affectedly bashful.

I call it a "roof" if any part of it is near horizontal. Makes me feel better, as in: "Dude, that roof was heinous!" ; "you mean that undercling flake?"

In this case, I'd say the horizontal part is at least 3 feet.
By James Burns
May 17, 2004

Hard to call any moves harder then 5.7, but definitely awkward going over the roof. I kept going straight up after the crack ended instead of trending left. Still no harder than 5.7, but keeps the climbing interesting for a bit longer.
By Squid
Jun 23, 2005

So i guess whining over the actualy terminology of a roof is the cool thing to do. Either enjoy the route or dont , kinda simple?
By jeff bryan
From: Cortez, co
Jul 25, 2007

I think this is no harder then 5.5. I first climbed this in the mid eighties and my friend said 5.4. It is not a roof just a high crack in a roof.
By Bill Lawry
From: New Mexico
Jul 14, 2008

Sorry Jeff, but I'd say no less than 5.7. Perhaps you are thinking of the crack maybe 25 feet to the climber's right of the one shown in the picture. I have seen the right one rated at 5.4, perhaps in the Falcon guide, and it felt like 5.4.
By Rich F.
From: Colorado Springs, CO
Sep 25, 2010
rating: 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b

This was a great finish to SchoolDaze. Taller climbers will find the "roof" move fairly moderate (I called it 5.7+), because the crack is excellent and you can step up high with your feet. But shorter climbers will find it much more difficult because they will not have much for their feet to work with. My only complaint about this pitch is that it was just too short....
By Dave Carey
From: Morrison, CO
Nov 26, 2011
rating: 5.9- 5c 17 VI 16 HVS 4c

I either suck at crack climbing or this is harder than 5.7. I used the finger crack to pull over this versus jamming...maybe that was the problem. Still...a super fun climb!
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