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Twice As Nice 

YDS: 5.8 French: 5b Ewbanks: 16 UIAA: VI- ZA: 15 British: HVS 4c

Type:  Sport, 2 pitches, 250'
Consensus:  YDS: 5.8- French: 5b Ewbanks: 16 UIAA: VI- ZA: 14 British: VS 4c [details]
FA: JSt,EFR,'08
New Route: Yes
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Submitted By: 1Eric Rhicard on Sep 27, 2008

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5.8 cruxes on both pitches, good rock, a comfortable belay, and some nice exposure.


On the West face of the Fortress. Load up your gear and leave your pack at the spot where the ridge of the rock meets the hill. Drop down the right side staying close to the rock. Look for bolts 15ft. or so to the right of a black water streak. 1) Follow bolts up easy ground to a short headwall then easier ground leads to a nice belay ledge. 2) Straight up a short steep section to easy ground then a short headwall then easier ground, then a great section of steeper gold rock.



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By Jon Ruland
From: Tucson, AZ
Sep 27, 2009
rating: 5.8- 5b 16 VI- 14 VS 4c

this is a really fun climb on some cool rock. thanks eric & co!
By mikehilbert
From: Tucson, AZ
Jul 9, 2013

How long is each pitch? Will a 60m suffice to rap off? ...or is it a walk off?
By Jon Ruland
From: Tucson, AZ
Aug 9, 2014
rating: 5.8- 5b 16 VI- 14 VS 4c

Walk off
By Wendel
From: Scottsdale, AZ
Oct 16, 2015
rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b PG13

The route going up the mountain was fun. Very mellow, 5.6 climbing with a 5.7 crux in each pitch. The rock was nice, though myself leading and my partner each had foot holds break, so the route still has a little cleaning to do. The route had partial sun in the afternoon, with the belay ledge at the top of P1 being entirely shaded and very comfortable.

Issues encountered.
The crux's are almost overbolted, without ideal placements causing substantial rope drag even with long draws and alpines. Then there are 3? run outs, probably 30-40ft each. The runouts are over barely 5th class scrambling, however, were you to slip, or mess up climbing before the next bolt, after the scrambles, you'd have a very high chance of fatal falls- the best case scenario would be a 60-80ft whipper over ledges.

So, without being a jerk, a few bolts should be pulled and moved to get rid of the rope drag, and another 5-6 bolts added in the runouts- again, it's scrambling, but my partner is new to leading, and would have enjoyed leading this, but refused to because of the runouts. On a 5.10 or higher, a little unprotected scrambling is often part of the game. But on a 5.7 climb, which would be great for new leaders, there's just no need for that kind of unnecessary risk.

If the bolt issues were fixed, this would be a really enjoyable climb, and a perfect route for new leaders.

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