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Mar 13, 2014
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...
^^^
Usually means he had it all squared away before that too.
Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Joined Jan 1, 2001
23,500 points
Mar 13, 2014
Hank Caylor wrote:
After 4 months of climbing, in Boulder, you've got 99% of the climbers you meet figured out and squared away into a couple categories? That's awesome.


Tell me when was the last time you lost sleep over a close friend not RPing a route?

I have had very limited exposure to other trad climbers, and every single one of them I have met didn't give a lick about rating or how a route was sent. Converse to that, most other parties I have seen at sport crags and the gym that aren't currently climbing mostly stood in a circle and waited their turn to tell everyone else about that .10d they onsighted. Or, that .12 project they've been working on.

As for the online portion of my statement, I sincerely doubt a majority of the people on MP, rc.com, or any other climbing forum would give a damn if someone posted about an onsight below .14.

@Tony B:
Don't you know already? I have to categorize everyone. We've already had this discussion.
Eliot Augusto
From Boulder, CO
Joined Dec 29, 2013
35 points
Mar 13, 2014
Look.  Imma git them coconut chips.  Trust.
I think I just brownpointed this thread. Adam Burch
Joined Jan 9, 2012
622 points
Mar 13, 2014
yaak crack Red Rock Canyon, NV
This thread has been brown pointed for some time now. Jon Zucco
From Denver, CO
Joined Aug 15, 2008
357 points
Mar 13, 2014
Eliot Augusto wrote:
I have had very limited exposure to other trad climbers

Well, no shit. You are arguing with Hank freaking Caylor and you have no idea who he is.
reboot
From Westminster, CO
Joined Jul 17, 2006
143 points
Mar 13, 2014
reboot wrote:
Well, no shit. You are arguing with Hank freaking Caylor and you have no idea who he is.


I'm not arguing. He made a point, and it was correct. 99% of the climbers I have met, have fallen into that category. In short, you care about how you send a route or you don't. I never took up a contrary position, and therefore its not an argument. And I admitted ignorance. Jump to a few more conclusions while you're at it.
Eliot Augusto
From Boulder, CO
Joined Dec 29, 2013
35 points
Mar 13, 2014
Elliot, good observation for a new climber! Bill Wa
Joined Mar 5, 2014
20 points
Mar 13, 2014
Eliot Augusto wrote:
Tell me when was the last time you lost sleep over a close friend not RPing a route? I have had very limited exposure to other trad climbers, and every single one of them I have met didn't give a lick about rating or how a route was sent. Converse to that, most other parties I have seen at sport crags and the gym that aren't currently climbing mostly stood in a circle and waited their turn to tell everyone else about that .10d they onsighted. Or, that .12 project they've been working on. As for the online portion of my statement, I sincerely doubt a majority of the people on MP, rc.com, or any other climbing forum would give a damn if someone posted about an onsight below .14. @Tony B: Don't you know already? I have to categorize everyone. We've already had this discussion.


i like trad climbing. i like sport climbing. i like hearing about what my friends send. i love lamp.
David Barbour
From Denver
Joined Apr 4, 2011
231 points
Mar 13, 2014
I think "brown point" needs a definition, and not the one that relates to how much hot, red chile I ate last night.

When I'm climbing over my level, and it makes me feel better to add pro every two feet, and then I accidentally end up putting feet on my cams, and then to get over the crux I crawl on my belly and cry like a little girl, and then I end up leaving gear because I missed it on th eway down and was too terrified to climb back up and get it, and then I go to the bar and brag about how awesome I did on that route that was completely sandbagged and really ought to get a 5.7: THAT is a brown point.

Edited to add I agree with that guy ^, I love lamp, too.
Jamespio
Joined Sep 6, 2013
6 points
Mar 13, 2014
tanuki
Stoya loves trad ethics and lamp.


stoya
stoya
NC Rock Climber
From The Oven, AKA Phoenix
Joined Dec 6, 2009
121 points
Mar 14, 2014
At the BRC
Bill Wa wrote:
Elliot, good observation for a new climber!


Sorry Hank, but if Ellenor is taking Eliot's side, the debate's over.
Mark E Dixon
From Sprezzatura, Someday
Joined Nov 29, 2007
204 points
Mar 14, 2014
James Piotrowski wrote:
I think "brown point" needs a definition, and not the one that relates to how much hot, red chile I ate last night. When I'm climbing over my level, and it makes me feel better to add pro every two feet, and then I accidentally end up putting feet on my cams, and then to get over the crux I crawl on my belly and cry like a little girl, and then I end up leaving gear because I missed it on th eway down and was too terrified to climb back up and get it, and then I go to the bar and brag about how awesome I did on that route that was completely sandbagged and really ought to get a 5.7: THAT is a brown point. Edited to add I agree with that guy ^, I love lamp, too.


Having made it up, I get dibs on definition. And I vote for routes your friends drag you up that is way above your level and you shit your pants the entire way up.
Eliot Augusto
From Boulder, CO
Joined Dec 29, 2013
35 points
Mar 14, 2014
Eliot Augusto wrote:
Having made it up, I get dibs on definition. And I vote for routes your friends drag you up that is way above your level and you shit your pants the entire way up.


"i like trad climbing. i like sport climbing. i like hearing about what my friends send. i love lamp."

I don't mean to sound heartless by not caring about a friends climbing. I love it when my friends climb something they want, and if they are happy I am too. If they aren't, then I'll help them how I can.

But I have yet to lose sleep over a friend falling and making it a red point instead.
Eliot Augusto
From Boulder, CO
Joined Dec 29, 2013
35 points
Mar 14, 2014
I've been under the impression for quite some time that the T stands for Totally.

and a brown point is setting out with intentions of trying a specific route and then weenie-ing out...
Luke Cormier
Joined Oct 5, 2012
96 points
Mar 14, 2014
Out of the blue.  Photo by Mike W.
Eliot Augusto wrote:
Having made it up, I get dibs on definition. And I vote for routes your friends drag you up that is way above your level and you shit your pants the entire way up.


You guys are so cute. "Having made it up". We were using the term brown point twelve years ago. And we defined it then. And it is very likely someone used the term before us.

Reminds me of the schmoes claiming FA's just cuz a route doesn't have bolts or chalk on them like Mini Me on Wall Street.
Greg D
From Here
Joined Apr 5, 2006
960 points
Mar 14, 2014
Any climb you don't soil yourself is a good climb. Bill Wa
Joined Mar 5, 2014
20 points
Mar 14, 2014
A Brown Point is what you do in your pants when you take a huge whipper and all of your pieces bar the last one zipper. Bill Wa
Joined Mar 5, 2014
20 points
Mar 14, 2014
Seriously, just off the news: both brown and yellow points are pertaining to top roping ONLY. And no Eliot you did not make it up. The term has been out since at least 2004 from my recollections.
Now riddle me this: what are the green and white points? Aha!
Bill Wa
Joined Mar 5, 2014
20 points
Mar 14, 2014
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...
Greg D wrote:
You guys are so cute. "Having made it up". We were using the term brown point twelve years ago. And we defined it then. And it is very likely someone used the term before us.

We joked about it in highschool. And that was the 80's. Elliot wasn't born yet.

At the time, we joked that a redpoint was at the base of the cliff at the site of a failed free-solo attempt. A Brownpoint was at the base of a nearly-failed free-solo attempt.
Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Joined Jan 1, 2001
23,500 points
Mar 14, 2014
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...
Mark E Dixon wrote:
Sorry Hank, but if Ellenor is taking Eliot's side, the debate's over.



Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Joined Jan 1, 2001
23,500 points
Mar 14, 2014
Tony B wrote:
We joked about it in highschool. And that was the 80's. Elliot wasn't born yet.


If only I had known that other people tried to make a joke about brown pointing before I was born! Drat... Now I look like I'm reusing jokes and fads from previous decades, and we can't have that.
Eliot Augusto
From Boulder, CO
Joined Dec 29, 2013
35 points
Mar 14, 2014
Who is joking?
Btw white point is a red point at night with artificial light, black point is a red point at night without artificial light, green point is a all trad on sight of a sport route, eclipse is a solo flash at night without artificial light. Well i think that should enrich your spray arsenal quite a bit!
Bill Wa
Joined Mar 5, 2014
20 points
Mar 14, 2014
It's very interesting how the original term "red point" came about. Bill Wa
Joined Mar 5, 2014
20 points
Mar 20, 2014
Red Rock
What about high point, where you inhale and don't exhale until you finish the problem / route. ViperScale
Joined Dec 22, 2013
180 points
Mar 20, 2014
^^^that's why I hate the smell of pot at the crag. Btw herb pointing voids the climb altogether..and you can't be claiming on sight if you ever do it again without the pot after you've already herb pointed it. Bill Wa
Joined Mar 5, 2014
20 points


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