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To the person who took my red rope from pie shop S.Lake Tahoe!!!!
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By NorCalNomad
From San Francisco
Mar 26, 2013

CJC wrote:
'Festoon No Cliff' is more common


lol that works as well


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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Mar 26, 2013
Colonel Mustard

CJC wrote:
'Festoon No Cliff' is more common


Hahaha... I was feeling a bit pirate-like, or maybe Gangs of New York with that one. Festooned fixed lines have no place in LNT. It's, like, in the manual we wrote.


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By slk
From Reno, NV
Mar 26, 2013
me

"Stupid is someone who can't process that taking something that doesn't belong to you is stealing."

I'm not condoning taking the rope, just saying (if he's not a troll) the OP is lazy.


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By Liberty
Mar 26, 2013
Me

NorCalNomad wrote:
nope. Ever heard of leave no trace.

So leaving your lunch in a lunch break room is littering?


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By Brian in SLC
Mar 26, 2013
Climbing in Smuggler's Notch

Marla J wrote:
So leaving your lunch in a lunch break room is littering?


Where I work, if its well past lunch, and your lunch is laying around, it gets tossed in the garbage.

Back to fixed ropes...I wouldn't condone taking one, to be sure, and, bummer someone did, but, out of sight, out of mind. Anything else is inviting trouble...


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By RockinOut
From NY, NY
Mar 26, 2013
Gear

Is it not suspicious that the OP hasnt chimed in at all during the 5 pages?


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By Liberty
Mar 26, 2013
Me

Why is everybody so eager to pick up rope, lunch and gear for trash but they pass by a soda can and used tape when they see them at the crag. So all trash is trash, right?


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By tom mahr
From s. lake
Mar 31, 2013
just playing

Havent been on for a while but nice to hear what other people think!
So on that logic any thing left by the base of a wall or on the wall is free game? In yosemite all fixed lines or ok to take or someone leaving gear at climb say Zodic where people wait in line is ok to take? I have respect for others and there stuff.
Funny how there way a fixed line in a more poplar area and that one was ok!Mine was behind a corner with the rope tucked under a flake not on a open face. Ya I was bed sick for 4 days so bad on me? Its nice to have faith in people so i can get out of work and run up and put in a few laps before dinner.Funny how my ropes new got bothered in NY,MT,CO and OR.
So yes it does come down to me leaving it there and trusting people,I learned my leson for around here!!


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By tom mahr
From s. lake
Mar 31, 2013
just playing

I agree I walk out with more trash then I bring in.


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By SirTobyThe3rd
Mar 31, 2013
Hello

You don't really get it. Pie Shop is not Cookie cliff, or El Cap. Different areas, different customs on what is ok. Still think whoever took your rope is a dick, but I can totally see it happening in a place like pie shop.
Would it be ok for me to fix a line for a few days on Dinkum crack in cosumnes? I am pretty sure it would be gone within 24 hours of leaving it.
Hope you recover your rope somehow...


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By TWK
Apr 1, 2013

How long would a fixed rope last on High Exposure in the Gunks?

People that steal are assholes, but don't set yourself up.

Look at this way--now for $175 or less, you can get a new rope that you'll take better care of.


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By SDY
Apr 1, 2013

TWK wrote:
People that steal are assholes, but don't set yourself up.



Agreed. People that leave shit hanging on the rock, sitting on the ground, or any where else are assholes as well. Pack it in, pack it out.


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By tsuji
From Boulder, CO
Apr 1, 2013
On Peak 11,300 in the Ruth

SDY wrote:
Agreed. People that leave shit hanging on the rock, sitting on the ground, or any where else are assholes as well. Pack it in, pack it out.



Little bit harsh, I've met Tom and he's a nice guy, maybe he shouldn't have left a rope up but he's definitely not an asshole.


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By SDY
Apr 1, 2013

tsuji wrote:
Little bit harsh, I've met Tom and he's a nice guy, maybe he shouldn't have left a rope up but he's definitely not an asshole.


Fair enough. I don't know Tom, I think it's inconsiderate to leave a rope up at a well traveled crag.


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By John D
Apr 1, 2013

I think the most disappointing part of this whole thread is that pie shop is a crag and not a place, I was really hoping there was a shop devoted to pie in S. Lake Tahoe


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By Dave Swink
From Boulder, Co
Apr 1, 2013

John D wrote:
I think the most disappointing part of this whole thread is that pie shop is a crag and not a place, I was really hoping there was a shop devoted to pie in S. Lake Tahoe


Ha! Me too. I was gonna make a note for future visits. What a letdown.


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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Apr 1, 2013
Colonel Mustard

It was named after a pie shop that was there but is now defunct. So, you weren't too far off.

And, yes, leaving ropes strewn up at the moderate, easy to rig crags is still idiotic.


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By TWK
Apr 1, 2013

SDY wrote:
Agreed. People that leave shit hanging on the rock, sitting on the ground, or any where else are assholes as well. Pack it in, pack it out.


. . . leave shit sitting on the ground? For how long? What's your time limit for me to leave a pack at the base of a trad climb, to come and pick up on the descent, before you start screaming "BOOTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and run off like a thief?

10 minutes? 30 seconds? two hours? overnight?

You'll find out what people's time limit is on sending you back to school to learn some respect. Dickhead.


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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Apr 1, 2013
Colonel Mustard

TWK wrote:
. . . leave shit sitting on the ground? For how long? What's your time limit for me to leave a pack at the base of a trad climb, to come and pick up on the descent, before you start screaming "BOOTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and run off like a thief? 10 minutes? 30 seconds? two hours? overnight? You'll find out what people's time limit is on sending you back to school to learn some respect. Dickhead.


I didn't even get the sense that was what he was talking about. A pack at the base of the route is entirely different from a fixed line left on a moderate climb for days at a time. I know, I know, the convenience and entitlement of leaving your ear buds in place and not being bothered to rig up and then take down your line argue otherwise, but I believe we all know the difference between a pack and tat in this hypothetical shell game you guys like to play.


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By Paul-B
Apr 1, 2013
Flakes of Wrath

TWK wrote:
. . . leave shit sitting on the ground? For how long? What's your time limit for me to leave a pack at the base of a trad climb, to come and pick up on the descent, before you start screaming "BOOTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and run off like a thief? 10 minutes? 30 seconds? two hours? overnight? You'll find out what people's time limit is on sending you back to school to learn some respect. Dickhead.



Hmmm... Well this exact discussion was had on a previous thread, some moron like yourself tried to make the same argument. I will quote you another person's post.

JLP wrote:
It's pretty much a universal rule on all public lands that you don't leave your shit laying around for others with equal rights to enjoy looking at. www.parks.state.co.us/SiteCollectionImages/parks/Programs/Bo>>> ABANDONED PROPERTY F. It shall be unlawful to leave any personal property unattended on land or water under the control of the Division of Parks and Outdoor Recreation for more than twenty-four (24) hours.




So its 24 hrs "Dickhead"

Refer to this thread for more arguing.

www.mountainproject.com/v/eldo---genesis---fixed-rope/107812>>>


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By TWK
Apr 1, 2013

A thief is a thief.

It apparently doesn't matter how often it's been discussed or argued here or elsewhere, some bastards never learn. If it isn't your stuff, don't touch it. Most people learn that in preschool.


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By Paul-B
Apr 1, 2013
Flakes of Wrath

TWK wrote:
A It apparently doesn't matter how often it's been discussed or argued here or elsewhere, some bastards never learn. If it isn't your stuff, don't touch it. Most people learn that in preschool.


No, most people learn in preschool to put their toys away, and if they left their toys sitting in a public park for a few days, they would probably be gone. The "bastards that never learn" are those that can't be bothered to put their toys away, leave their clutter out in public spaces against rules of said public space, and then whine that their stuff isn't there anymore.


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By TWK
Apr 1, 2013

OK, I'm done. In cyberspace, nobody can hear you scream.

But they can hear you in the crag parking lot if you get caught thieving.

See ya.


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By tom mahr
From s. lake
Apr 7, 2013
just playing

Never thought it would go on this long! I have been over it for a while. Moved on and up.


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By MJMobes
From The land of steady habits
Apr 7, 2013
modern man

tom mahr wrote:
Never thought it would go on this long! I have been over it for a while. Moved on and up.


its a regular climbing circle jerk round here Tom, never move on man


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